World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open
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Where's the complication in one player, one pool table, no flying needed, and one skill level test score....didn't have to buy a plane ticket, no booking a room in a hotel, no jet lag....and he would already know if he's IN or OUT of the world championship tournament.....and don't even have to leave his home pool room!
Where's the complication in asking players to have at least 200 games in against rated players?
That's easy, add them up during the world championship tournament!....other than that, bet at your own risk against the unknown play! Something wrong with that?
ROTFLMAO.....who said ANYTHING about TV?.....Buddy, TV for pool died along time ago when they started showing delayed programming.....no need to watch a pool tournament that's already been won a month ago....LMAO
Why not....WU did it!
The reliability of the rating grows with increasing number of games. There is no magic cutoff between too-little-information-to-be-reliable and plenty of information. We set a cutoff of 200 games for us to stamp a rating as a Fargo Rating. We say that rating is established. But more games will still make it more reliable.
If you play games against a completely unknown opponent, those games won't contribute to your rating. Doesn't matter--at least not now-- whether you win or lose. But it will remember those games because maybe next week we will know something about those opponents.
IMO, it would be an insult to a top pro at or near the top of the FargRate rankings to force him or her to qualify for a tournament by performing and paying for a "skills test" when he or she is clearly deserving of tournament entry (based on their FargoRate-proven history of winning against other top players). If he or she is not willing to pay a tournament entry fee, he or she needs to do a better job at finding a sponsor that will pay the entry fee for such a top player.
Glen, I think you need to give FargoRate a little more consideration. I think it does mostly what you want. If it doesn't, you could add some additional requirements (e.g., a top finish in recent tournaments or qualifier events). And for those not already high enough on the FargoRate rankings; maybe you could require a strong skills test performance documented by an online video. Unfortunately, using FargoRate will take away the income you were hoping to generate by requiring a paid skills test to enter every tournament; but, IMO (and it seems like others agree), your model, in its current form, might not be very practical or realistic.
Regardless, I hope you can realize your goals and dreams for the pool world. You seem to have some good ideas. Hopefully, you also have the required financial support and cooperation with the type of people and organizations (existing or new) that can get something like this started, keep it going, and have it be successful long term.
Regards,
Dave
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Maybe AtLarge or someone can confirm, but I don't think you had to pay an entry to play in the World 9 Ball. So it's not like Wu was some kid off the street that ponied up a few bucks to play in a tournament, because, "Hey, why the hell not."
He either qualified or was invited. Considering he placed 2nd in the Junior World 9 Ball the year before, my guess is the latter.
So please, stop with this nonsense that Wu was a complete unknown.
Using a skills test to determine who is a pro would be like going to the driving range to determine who is a golf pro or to the batting cage to determine who is a baseball pro or a free-throw contest to see who is a basketball pro. It leaves out the ability to win in competition. The only way to tell who competes best in tournaments is to see how they play in tournaments, like FargoRate does. Qualifying tournaments are a better way to go.
Glen, we all want the sport to grow. But, IMO:
There is no way in hell to get players to play qualifiers all year long, even in their own home rooms, to then play in a final event. It will never happen in a million years.
The IPT, (when all was rosy before KT came up short), could barely fill qualifying spots for a tourney that was paying 300k or so for first.
Joe Tucker, is traveling the country like a madman trying to make a tour for the past few years with his American Rotation game, and did not get anywhere near the 64 rooms he originally wanted.
Hopkins tried the "Million dollar tournament" that only had 7 or 8 players instead of the 200 needed to be a "real" million.
Even little fun stuff here on AZ, like playing the 9 ball ghost, or 14-1 ghost, or Dr Dave's drills, gets almost no participation.
There is no way in hell for players to get together and form any type of players association. Charlie tried it 15 years ago. A bunch "talked" about it when the IPT went bust 10 years ago. Archer tried it 3 years ago.
I guess the common theme here, is pool players are just loners. They don't want to be part of anything bigger. That includes us fans who don't have an Open or higher speed. We are all pool players at heart too.
There is no way in hell to get players to play qualifiers all year long, even in their own home rooms, to then play in a final event. It will never happen in a million years.
The IPT, (when all was rosy before KT came up short), could barely fill qualifying spots for a tourney that was paying 300k or so for first.
Joe Tucker, is traveling the country like a madman trying to make a tour for the past few years with his American Rotation game, and did not get anywhere near the 64 rooms he originally wanted.
Hopkins tried the "Million dollar tournament" that only had 7 or 8 players instead of the 200 needed to be a "real" million.
Even little fun stuff here on AZ, like playing the 9 ball ghost, or 14-1 ghost, or Dr Dave's drills, gets almost no participation.
There is no way in hell for players to get together and form any type of players association. Charlie tried it 15 years ago. A bunch "talked" about it when the IPT went bust 10 years ago. Archer tried it 3 years ago.
I guess the common theme here, is pool players are just loners. They don't want to be part of anything bigger. That includes us fans who don't have an Open or higher speed. We are all pool players at heart too.
Also Ozzy ran qualifiers in the APT trying to have a 32 k tourney at the yrs end and fell far short of that
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Don't get me wrong Mike , I DO feel that the Fargo rating system is extremely important, I just don't feel it's the system to draw new unknown players out into the open. If my system will do that, then once exposed, your system would definitely take over where mine leaves off. Not only that, I feel strongly that my system would provide the funds needed to keep the world's top players active all year long....once we ALL know who they are, and invite new unknowns every year thereafter.
Another one that went bust was the N.U.T.S. tour. I think that was 10 years ago now. It was supposed to unite all the regional tours, where each player would put up an extra dollar or so each event. And that money would fund a unifying championship event at the end of the year.
I've only been playing for 20 years. You guys around longer have seen many more attempts come and go I'm sure
I think you clearly misunderstanding what my system will do for the Pros, to the point that real Pros of this sport would WELCOME taking a skill level test pryor to EACH world championship pool tournament's. First of all, the most it would cost them to play would be $50 to get qualified the first time taking the test. Secondly, all the Pros I've talked to would WELCOME being able to separate themselves for the first time....against the rest of the world of pool players as being the most elite in this sport. Third, in my plans, there are no losers, even a first round loss pays a minimum of $500 with a 64 player field. For the first year in my plans, all world championship tournament's will be limited to the top qualifying 64 players.
But don't take my word....as the Pros you know.
Uhhhh....better check again buddy, there IS skill level testing in golf, AND....only the TOP 150 players in the world play on the PGA tour.
Another one that went bust was the N.U.T.S. tour. I think that was 10 years ago now. It was supposed to unite all the regional tours, where each player would put up an extra dollar or so each event. And that money would fund a unifying championship event at the end of the year.
I've only been playing for 20 years. You guys around longer have seen many more attempts come and go I'm sure
Once again, who in the hell said ANYTHING about running qualifiers?
Bullshit!......
Hey buddy, I'm not your buddy.......I coulda been