World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open

[realkingcobra]

I thought you were against handicapping?

Handicapping is putting better players against lesser players I'm not handicapping. I'm saying if you're a pro you're only playing Pros if you're not quite a pro but you are a semi-pro you're only playing Semi-Pro if your an advanced or intermediate player you're only playing that skill level group.

 

[BasementDweller]

It's not a belief -- It's a fact.

What would happen if your skill test showed that a guy that's never won a tournament in his life was actually the most "skilled" Pool player on the planet? Maybe you run into a guy that drilled obsessively for years just to do well on this test, only to find out he just didn't have it upstairs when it came to actually competing?

You see -- it's impossible for a skills test to measure all the variables that go into being a champion pool player, or even a just a good one for that matter. That's the genius of Fargo Rate. They realize this and so they don't even try to analyze all these variables. Instead, they recognize that all these variables are baked into the end result.

If you win -- you're better than your opponent (over the long run). That's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you can beat Kim Davenport at Target Pool or not.

 

[realkingcobra]

If a player wants to advance to a higher group they have to prove they've got the skills to be there or they stay in the group theyre in.

 

[BasementDweller]

Ahhh okay. Why not just admit you don't understand how Fargo Rate works? Or maybe a better question would be -- why do you choose to not understand it?

Fargo Rate proves a player's true competitive skill level. You want to test a player's arbitrary skill level.

 

[realkingcobra]

It's not a belief -- It's a fact.

What would happen if your skill test showed that a guy that's never won a tournament in his life was actually the most "skilled" Pool player on the planet? Maybe you run into a guy that drilled obsessively for years just to do well on this test, only to find out he just didn't have it upstairs when it came to actually competing?

You see -- it's impossible for a skills test to measure all the variables that go into being a champion pool player, or even a just a good one for that matter. That's the genius of Fargo Rate. They realize this and so they don't even try to analyze all these variables. Instead, they recognize that all these variables are baked into the end result.

If you win -- you're better than your opponent (over the long run). That's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you can beat Kim Davenport at Target Pool or not.

So I guess what you're saying is beating the 10 ball ghost 10 straight games in a row is nothing to really consider when it comes to looking at the skills of a Pro. How about we add in the 10 points earned for a perfect score of 100 at the end of 10 racks, -1 point for scratching on the break, +2 points for making the 10 ball legally out of rotation, but it still spots back up and is still in play, make it again and it's worth another +2 points. Cue ball off the table, or any other ball off the table, = loss of game. Balls made on the break are worth an extra +1 per ball.

IF a player can score above an 85....I guarantee you that person can play....do you REALLY want to bet he can't?

 

[iusedtoberich]

To Glen:

Distinguishing between pros and non pros is easy. Every single one of us in this thread know who the pros are, and who are several tiers down as local champs. Fargorate now allows us to very easily know that same information for other cities/states/countries.

The simplest way to keep "dead money" from entering a tournament, is to raise the entry fee. The US Open, now with its $1,000 entry, has effectively done this. Almost every entry was a real player.

The Bigfoot challenge does the same with its high entry fee. In fact, when the field was extended from 16 players to 32 players, Helfert had the hardest time finding 32 backers for the pros. The backers are not going to put a bum in for 1000. No way.

In both of these tournaments, only the best of the best are playing. Yet, neither attracts many viewers or fans except us die hards.

I do agree wholeheartedly, there should be a separation of only top pros to form a tour of some sort. With the purpose of having a cohesive product to sell to potential sponsors. Many people over the years here on AZ have talked about having a top 16 only pro circuit, that travelled the country and put on tournaments in several cites.

I don't know the answer. Good on you for trying. If you can get 100,000 players to put up $50, I'll buy you a new truck delivery truck, complete with a kitchen sink.

 

[iusedtoberich]

So I guess what you're saying is beating the 10 ball ghost 10 straight games in a row is nothing to really consider when it comes to looking at the skills of a Pro. How about we add in the 10 points earned for a perfect score of 100 at the end of 10 racks, -1 point for scratching on the break, +2 points for making the 10 ball legally out of rotation, but it still spots back up and is still in play, make it again and it's worth another +2 points. Cue ball off the table, or any other ball off the table, = loss of game. Balls made on the break are worth an extra +1 per ball.

IF a player can score above an 85....I guarantee you that person can play....do you REALLY want to bet he can't?

You should take a look at the Ghost thread on here. There are a few guys who have put up 8-0 and 7-0 scores on the 9 ball ghost. We are talking about amateurs. You give a turning pro a year to beat the 10 ball ghost 10-0, I bet 100 at least will be able to do it, if there was a real incentive for them to try every day until they won 10-0.

 

[realkingcobra]

Ahhh okay. Why not just admit you don't understand how Fargo Rate works? Or maybe a better question would be -- why do you choose to not understand it?

Fargo Rate proves a player's true competitive skill level. You want to test a player's arbitrary skill level.

No, the player determines their competitiveness when playing against other players. Fargo keeps track of the games played in order to kind of rate how the player would match up against other player BEFORE the play....in the efforts to be.able to make better judgments when it comes to side betting on the matches.....I clearly understand how the Fargo rating system works.

I'm more interested in FINDING the BEST skilled players on the planet every year to fill in the 64 player field to have a world championship tournament made up of the most PROBABLE best players in the world. After doing so, THEN the Fargo rating system can take over to keep track of said players.

Is that really so hard to understand?

 

[fishless]

Would you rather travel to a tournament somewhere, spend what ever it costs for travel, food, and hotel....to not even place in the money, or win LESS than you spent? Yes, Diamond has tables being shipped all around the world.

Thanks for the reply. For anything to be successful I believe it has to be convenient for the end user, which in this case the person looking for a ranking and/or looking to better their current ranking etc. I for one wouldn't travel to just develop a recognized ranking of any sort on the required table spec., not to mention having to pay.

Now had you said you must qualify your ranking on a Canada's Billiard Black Crown, thats a different story.

Cheers and good luck.

 

[BeiberLvr]

You should take a look at the Ghost thread on here. There are a few guys who have put up 8-0 and 7-0 scores on the 9 ball ghost. We are talking about amateurs. You give a turning pro a year to beat the 10 ball ghost 10-0, I bet 100 at least will be able to do it, if there was a real incentive for them to try every day until they won 10-0.

Don't forget about our own Gerry Williams who ran a 15 pack.

No offense to him, but he's probably not winning the world 9 ball anytime soon.

 

[realkingcobra]

You should take a look at the Ghost thread on here. There are a few guys who have put up 8-0 and 7-0 scores on the 9 ball ghost. We are talking about amateurs. You give a turning pro a year to beat the 10 ball ghost 10-0, I bet 100 at least will be able to do it, if there was a real incentive for them to try every day until they won 10-0.

BUT.....LMAO....beating the ghost 10-0.....MAY not be good enough to crocross the line into the top 64 player field....that's where you're missing the point.....better go back and check out those bonus points again. The cut off score at 64 may be 108....hehe

 

[realkingcobra]

Thanks for the reply. For anything to be successful I believe it has to be convenient for the end user, which in this case the person looking for a ranking and/or looking to better their current ranking etc. I for one wouldn't travel to just develop a recognized ranking of any sort on the required table spec., not to mention having to pay.

Now had you said you must qualify your ranking on a Canada's Billiard Black Crown, thats a different story.

Cheers and good luck.

That's the point of the Diamond 9ft.....they're all the same, so that makes the rest table the same for EVERYONE.

 

[realkingcobra]

Don't forget about our own Gerry Williams who ran a 15 pack.

No offense to him, but he's probably not winning the world 9 ball anytime soon.

Did YOU see the 15 pack? Was it on a Diamond 9ft? Was that against the 10 ball ghost....with no racking AID? That means racking with a triangle, NO magic racks or the use of any other racking aid.

 

[realkingcobra]

Don't forget about our own Gerry Williams who ran a 15 pack.

No offense to him, but he's probably not winning the world 9 ball anytime soon.

You keep testing my nerve....I could make the skill test even harder by requiring 4 balls past the side pockets to be a legal break as we'll

 

[iusedtoberich]

Forget about how many racks a pro can run.

I think you have one person on this thread that likes your idea. How are you going to convince 100,000 pool players to put up $50. That is the main issue. Not where to make the cutoff between pro and non-pro.

Pool players are all loners. They don't want to be part of anything.

 

[realkingcobra]

Forget about how many racks a pro can run.

I think you have one person on this thread that likes your idea. How are you going to convince 100,000 pool players to put up $50. That is the main issue. Not where to make the cutoff between pro and non-pro.

Pool players are all loners. They don't want to be part of anything.

But they all just want to get paid for their performance.....what a concept!

 

[BeiberLvr]

Forget about how many racks a pro can run.

I think you have one person on this thread that likes your idea. How are you going to convince 100,000 pool players to put up $50. That is the main issue. Not where to make the cutoff between pro and non-pro.

Pool players are all loners. They don't want to be part of anything.

Especially when there's nothing guaranteed.

 

[realkingcobra]

Forget about how many racks a pro can run.

I think you have one person on this thread that likes your idea. How are you going to convince 100,000 pool players to put up $50. That is the main issue. Not where to make the cutoff between pro and non-pro.

Pool players are all loners. They don't want to be part of anything.

You just haven't seen the cat I still have in the bag, if you did....then you'd know

 

[iusedtoberich]

You just haven't seen the cat I still have in the bag, if you did....then you'd know

How are you even going to handle the logistics if it really works? Do you have a way to collect 100,000 payments of $50 each (or $25 each if half goes to the host testing table owner)? Who are your business partners? Where is your venue? How will you get the word out? If you want your championship event in Dec 2017, you need all of these details ironed out from now.

Ideas are worth a dime a dozen, including mine.

The Bonus Ball guy had balls. No one liked his idea, and he had been kicking it around for 20 years. He got up and did it. It failed, but you can't fault him for doing. I don't think you can fault anyone for "doing" anything they believe in.

Big difference between saying and doing.

Good luck to making your saying a doing.

Peace.

 

[realkingcobra]

Well, it's been fun playing with you guys, but I have to go deliver a pool table, haven't had much sleep since Saturday morning, my first wife and mother of my 2 oldest daughters passed away Saturday night....so now that's 3 deaths I've had to deal with in the last 2 years, my son, my mom, now my wife.