World FargoRate ranking: changes in past year

[mikepage]

I've been watching closely the fargorate lists since they came out, and am a big fan...

Question: Wu's rating since you started your system has been untouchable at about 832, with about 850ish games played, if memory serves me correctly. In the past few months, he dropped about 17 points to 815. Shane stayed about the same. He is 819 now, and I believe he was 822 when Wu was 832 (this is all from memory).

How did Wu drop so much in such a short time period? I've only seen big moves in your system from players that are teens and coming up, or old and dying and going down, or that were just "discovered" in your system and have very few games played. But Wu, has been on it from the start, and has been active internationally since his return to pool a few years ago after his Taiwan vs China issue and also his health issues.

Thanks for your response and satisfying my curiosity.

My first response is to remind people that when you have a super-human rating, you have to maintain super-human performance just to maintain.

But I think you may be onto something here that there is more than meets the eye. Wu had a couple years of being untouchable, and then in the last year he lost 11-6 to Albin, 11-3 to Mika, 11-1 to Thorpe, 9-5 to Tangudd, 9-2 to Tuetcher, and 11-8 to a 700-level player in japan. And it is not like those are 6 out of hundreds of matches. Those are 6 out of 19 matches, a third of the matches in the system from the last year.

 

[nine_ball6970]

My first response is to remind people that when you have a super-human rating, you have to maintain super-human performance just to maintain.

But I think you may be onto something here that there is more than meets the eye. Wu had a couple years of being untouchable, and then in the last year he lost 11-6 to Albin, 11-3 to Mika, 11-1 to Thorpe, 9-5 to Tangudd, 9-2 to Tuetcher, and 11-8 to a 700-level player in japan. And it is not like those are 6 out of hundreds of matches. Those are 6 out of 19 matches, a third of the matches in the system from the last year.

What is the highest rating someone has achieved for one tournament? I know you had mentioned little KO was in the 900s for one a couple years ago.

What was Filler's for the last tournament? Seems like he beat pretty much everyone by a 2-1 margin.

 

[Pete]

After giving this some thought. Fargorating is not perfect. There I said it, the elephant in the room.

Now for the thought, Mike has put in a lot of work on this I assume at least, and it is better than just guessing here and there. It is based on real world data not opinion. Is it fallible YES, is it better than random opinion I THINK SO.

So Mike, please continue working on this, and perhaps try to add in a write in possibility for those leagues and tournaments that aren't involved, maybe an unofficial Fargorating. That way if those on that get the chance to get real Fargorating it will help with the others.

Just a random thought there from Pete...

 

[Nostroke]

Has #2 Wu ben active at all lately?-I'm not saying ONE THING about his rating- I just want to know if he is playing anywhere.Thanks

 

[jasonlaus]

After giving this some thought. Fargorating is not perfect. There I said it, the elephant in the room.

Now for the thought, Mike has put in a lot of work on this I assume at least, and it is better than just guessing here and there. It is based on real world data not opinion. Is it fallible YES, is it better than random opinion I THINK SO.

So Mike, please continue working on this, and perhaps try to add in a write in possibility for those leagues and tournaments that aren't involved, maybe an unofficial Fargorating. That way if those on that get the chance to get real Fargorating it will help with the others.

Just a random thought there from Pete...

Elephant in the room?

How is it fallible? You do realize what AVERAGE means don't you?
Jason

 

[iusedtoberich]

My first response is to remind people that when you have a super-human rating, you have to maintain super-human performance just to maintain.

But I think you may be onto something here that there is more than meets the eye. Wu had a couple years of being untouchable, and then in the last year he lost 11-6 to Albin, 11-3 to Mika, 11-1 to Thorpe, 9-5 to Tangudd, 9-2 to Tuetcher, and 11-8 to a 700-level player in japan. And it is not like those are 6 out of hundreds of matches. Those are 6 out of 19 matches, a third of the matches in the system from the last year.

Thanks for the answer. That makes sense.

19 matches x lets say 15 games per match = 285 new games in the system for him the past year. His robustness is currently 1528 games. The 285 new games in the system represents about a 23% increase in the total number of games he has played from the prior year, and enough to move the needle, imo. His needle moved down 2% during that time (832 to 815).

 

[BRussell]

Has #2 Wu ben active at all lately?-I'm not saying ONE THING about his rating- I just want to know if he is playing anywhere.Thanks

He and his partner won the World Cup of Pool last month. That was scotch doubles so it probably doesn’t go into Fargoratings.

 

[mikepage]

Has #2 Wu ben active at all lately?-I'm not saying ONE THING about his rating- I just want to know if he is playing anywhere.Thanks

What we have in the past year is China Open, Japan Open, Qatar World 9-Ball, US Open, and World games in Poland.

We don't get much in China other than the biggies, so he could easily be more active.

 

[Nostroke]

He and his partner won the World Cup of Pool last month. That was scotch doubles so it probably doesn’t go into Fargoratings.

That was THE WU?-i thought it was a different one but i didnt see the WC myself

EDIT-Yes it was-Just saw his picture with the trophy!

 

[Pete]

Elephant in the room?

How is it fallible? You do realize what AVERAGE means don't you?
Jason

Nothing is perfect so for that it is fallible.

Please enlighten me on the meaning of AVERAGE in context to your reply.

Pete

 

[pt109]

After giving this some thought. Fargorating is not perfect. There I said it, the elephant in the room.

Now for the thought, Mike has put in a lot of work on this I assume at least, and it is better than just guessing here and there. It is based on real world data not opinion. Is it fallible YES, is it better than random opinion I THINK SO.

So Mike, please continue working on this, and perhaps try to add in a write in possibility for those leagues and tournaments that aren't involved, maybe an unofficial Fargorating. That way if those on that get the chance to get real Fargorating it will help with the others.

Just a random thought there from Pete...

Nothing is perfect so for that it is fallible.

Please enlighten me on the meaning of AVERAGE in context to your reply.

Pete

You’re looking for perfection, Pete?:scratchhead:
Where are you going to find that in real life...
...the elephant in the room is part of everyday living.

You remind me of a friend who’s forte was math all the way through school...
...when the weatherman says 60% chance of rain...and it doesn’t rain...he says..
“See, those weathermen don’t know shit.”

In everyday life, you may walk into a poolhall tomorrow and play three balls under your
ability.....or three balls over.

...the average human has one breast and one testicle

 

[alphadog]

You’re looking for perfection, Pete?:scratchhead:
Where are you going to find that in real life...
...the elephant in the room is part of everyday living.

You remind me of a friend who’s forte was math all the way through school...
...when the weatherman says 60% chance of rain...and it doesn’t rain...he says..
“See, those weathermen don’t know shit.”

In everyday life, you may walk into a poolhall tomorrow and play three balls under your
ability.....or three balls over.

...the average human has one breast and one testicle

In a perfect world the average human would have...:grin-square:however this is everyday and I has 2 of each:wink:

 

[greyghost]

In a perfect world the average human would have...:grin-square:however this is everyday and I has 2 of each:wink:

Hell my balls are so big I can’t even get em through my pockets


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[Pete]

You’re looking for perfection, Pete?:scratchhead:
Where are you going to find that in real life...
...the elephant in the room is part of everyday living.

You remind me of a friend who’s forte was math all the way through school...
...when the weatherman says 60% chance of rain...and it doesn’t rain...he says..
“See, those weathermen don’t know shit.”

In everyday life, you may walk into a poolhall tomorrow and play three balls under your
ability.....or three balls over.

...the average human has one breast and one testicle

I'm sorry for the confusion here.

I was trying to say that the Fargo rating system seems to be good.

I point out that inspire of me thinking it's good that I don't believe it is perfect. That was the simple point I tried to make.

Then I added a thought on how to get more numbers/players on the board.

I'm so sorry that my keyboard skills are subpar and my point was to difficult to understand as I wrote it.

 

[jasonlaus]

Nothing is perfect so for that it is fallible.

Please enlighten me on the meaning of AVERAGE in context to your reply.

Pete

So, you're saying everything in the world is fallible - why would Fargo be different then? If everything is fallible then you're really going out on a limb claiming Fargo is fallible.
Jason

 

[mikepage]

So, you're saying everything in the world is fallible - why would Fargo be different then? If everything is fallible then you're really going out on a limb claiming Fargo is fallible.
Jason

Would the person who made the "FargoRate is perfect" claim please stand up

 

[jasonlaus]

Would the person who made the "FargoRate is perfect" claim please stand up

He made the comment that its fallible - Duh :thumbup:
Jason

 

[Pete]

He made the comment that its fallible - Duh :thumbup:
Jason

Thank you Jason. You are very kind to try and help educate me here.

Pete

 

[calcuttaman]

I'm not so sure there is such a clear normal. We have a very weak "currency" requirement --the player must have played 150 games in the last two years.

Are you stating in this sentence that I only have to play 150 games to have an established rating?

 

[mikepage]

Are you stating in this sentence that I only have to play 150 games to have an established rating?

No, this is an additional requirement.

To be on the lists, a player must have 300 or more games total and must have 150 or more games played in the last two years.