World Professional Nineball Pool Corporation Unveiled

I don't know what the exact rules are now, but the olympic idea was about amateurs. ...
The IOC stopped pretending to have amateur games over 20 years ago. The idea way back when is that proper gentlemen are the only ones who should be competing and proper gentlemen have money. Scum who have to do menial labor and will accept money for playing their sport are not wanted.

In other IOC news, Jim Thorpe's records have been restored but a little late for him to enjoy them. From a recent Smithsonian Magazine....

More than a century later, Jim Thorpe’s Olympic legacy has been officially restored. Last week, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) announced that the talented athlete will be reinstated as the sole winner of two events, the pentathlon and decathlon, that he competed in during the 1912 Games in Stockholm.
 
Well the countries that "do that sort of thing" are many and the overall amount is substantial. As I wrote before, I think there are compromises on both ends that can be made so that both can co-exist without anything major being lost. But that means both sides --- not just one side --- have to give up something. When you have one end greedily trying to take it all, only the players will lose in the end.

Matchroom needs to recognize and appreciate the significance of the WPA grid and the WPA needs to recognize the players' need to earn a living and the benefits Matchroom can bring with worldwide TV production. I think that's a good starting point.
I pulled the top players from Matchroom's full rankings meaning anyone that's cashed $720 or more in two years. Then grouped them by country and tallied how many players are on that list from each country. So in terms of countries that "do that sort of thing", 48 countries are represented on this list. I know Poland does and that's "notable" with 14 players. I suspect Germany does, and that's notable too. Maybe Finland. Probably Netherland. Before I consider it "substantial", would you be able to identify additional countries from this list that do. Or estimate the percentage of these players that receive government support due to their participation in an IOC-recognized federation? I could be wrong, but I'd suspect the number is less than 30%.

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... So in terms of countries that "do that sort of thing", 48 countries are represented on this list. I know Poland does and that's "notable" with 14 players. I suspect Germany does, and that's notable too. Maybe Finland. Probably Netherland. ...
Thorsten Hohmann has said that his job in the German Army was to play pool. The Netherlands used to (and maybe still does) give monthly stipends to the top several pool players, and I think arranges training for them.

I'm pretty sure that Spain has a large centrally funded cue sports program.
 
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Thorsten Hohmann has said that his job in the German Army was to play pool. The Netherlands used to (and maybe still does) give monthly stipends to the top several pool players, and I think arranges training for them.

I'm pretty sure that Spain has a large centrally funded cue sports program.

So we're in the ballpark of 20% of the top players (40 of 200, or 22 of 100) potentially receive some form of official government support through participation in IOC-recognized cue sports programs. I can still see how the majority players and promoters would look at that and say, "What's in any of that for me?"
 
So we're in the ballpark of 20% of the top players...
You may not have a complete list yet. I think a lot of the Asian countries pay for performance in international championships. Not sure about the developmental programs for them.
 
I pulled the top players from Matchroom's full rankings meaning anyone that's cashed $720 or more in two years. Then grouped them by country and tallied how many players are on that list from each country. So in terms of countries that "do that sort of thing", 48 countries are represented on this list. I know Poland does and that's "notable" with 14 players. I suspect Germany does, and that's notable too. Maybe Finland. Probably Netherland. Before I consider it "substantial", would you be able to identify additional countries from this list that do. Or estimate the percentage of these players that receive government support due to their participation in an IOC-recognized federation? I could be wrong, but I'd suspect the number is less than 30%.

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Austrian players get supported with money from various sources even though some of them don't compete in EPBF events anymore. They also got government money during covid for not being able to compete in tournaments.
 
Well, the self preservation thing you're referring to with the WPA is to keep the global structure of pool within the guidelines of the IOC. Once the structure falls apart, they lose the World Games, any chance at the Olympics and most importantly, all those countries who get government funding will lose their funding. A lot of players receive annual stipends out of that funding and much of the added prize money in several international events comes from that country's government funding. So we are talking about the potential collapse of international championship events, continental events and more. Just look at the WPA calendar. I wouldn't be surprised if it also puts the EuroTour at risk.

Interestingly, Matchroom has always been in a cooperative relationship with the WPA. It's not until their 9 ball tour announcment that they are suddenly considering the WPA an amateur organization. But we know that's not true, since it's been decades now that the IOC has allowed pro players to compete in the Olympic Games.
BCA dropped the ball on professional pool in North America. when they sold the BCA league to MG and then eliminated the BCA Open, and though the smoking ban and other happenings hurt pool in the United States, the BCA's alienation of professional pool didn't help.

Yes, today the BCA is an industry member organization. How can they be the representative of North American professional pool to the WPA? What do those industry members govern in professional pool? Billiard Congress of America doesn't govern professional pool at all. It's a club of industry members. This is where I'm confused, I guess.

That said, I did follow your suggestion a while back and contacted Shane Tyree, and his reply to me was brief, two sentences, as I recall, but at least he did take the time to reply—and timely, I might add.

A few days ago, I listened to a Window's Open podcast with Shane Tyree, Mike Panozzo, and Mike Molina. It was very, very eye-opening. I had no idea that Mr. Tyree's position was a voluntary with no compensation. As well, he answered each and every question posed to him, even when they were tough. He was sincere and honest. What's more, he even replied to my post on the podcast thread that the BCA was going to try to bring back the BCA Open tournament.

Everybody is so excited about the multiple events on the horizon by Matchroom and other promoters. Shane Van Boening said he has to pick and choose which tournament he can attend due to cost. Traveling to Europe and other corners of the world ain't cheap, and when you add in lodging fees, food, and other associated expenses of being on the road, well, the bills back home still gotta get paid. Those who pocket 16th place and under will barely make expenses or break even. Not too many players will win, place, and show each and every time in short races. The payouts today are the same as they were in the 1980s, but expenses have quadrupled.

I'd love to learn what the majority of the pro players think, really think in private, not on social media where they may not be candid and comfortable sharing their opinions for fear of upsetting an entity. I will remain in a wait-and-see mode at this juncture as a pool enthusiast and railbird.
 
Thorsten Hohmann has said that his job in the German Army was to play pool. The Netherlands used to (and maybe still does) give monthly stipends to the top several pool players, and I think arranges training for them.

I'm pretty sure that Spain has a large centrally funded cue sports program.

i think thorsten's bundeswehr sponsorship is long gone?

niels and nick van den berg got stipends for being the top dutch players, i know that
 
I pulled the top players from Matchroom's full rankings meaning anyone that's cashed $720 or more in two years. Then grouped them by country and tallied how many players are on that list from each country. So in terms of countries that "do that sort of thing", 48 countries are represented on this list. I know Poland does and that's "notable" with 14 players. I suspect Germany does, and that's notable too. Maybe Finland. Probably Netherland. Before I consider it "substantial", would you be able to identify additional countries from this list that do. Or estimate the percentage of these players that receive government support due to their participation in an IOC-recognized federation? I could be wrong, but I'd suspect the number is less than 30%.

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The substantial government money is tournament added money. For example --- how does a $500 entry fee amount to a two hundred thousand dollar prize fund? Event sponsorships? Hardly. And before that, the entry fees were zero with high prize fund payouts.
 
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