Would this piss you off??

1pRoscoe

1pRoscoe

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So I came up with a design that I really wanted to have done last year... I emailed my specs to a few different cue makers and found one that I wanted to go with. It's actually my turn, I was notified that the forearm is complete and the cue will be done in a few months... I'm happy about that, it's been a little over a year!!

Then I see this...... First cue.

http://new2youqs.com/cues/miscellaneous5.html

Andy Gilbert was the one that I almost went with after he quoted the time/cost for this design. Looks like he decided to go ahead and make it anyways! I will say he did do one more and added diamonds to the points that I didn't want in the first place, but isn't it a tad ironic that the cue I wanted him to build but never went forward with him magically appears around the same time?

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I had the same thing happen to me. I ordered a one of a kind design that I designed my self. My cue finally arrived and the inlays were not centered up correctly .. since Andy's wife is now doing his inlays.
Later I saw my one of a kind design on another cue. I hope the work was better on the copy than it was on mine. I'll never order another or recommend Andy's work
 
If it is exactly the same color veneers, and type of wood, rings and everthing else except the diamonds I think that I would call the cuemaker and ask why he had to copy my design and if he would want me to design cues for him. Apparently a few other people lliked it. The buyer and Andy.

Otherwise it looks like a basic window cue to me. That design has been around for ages. It reminds me of a Gina 11C. If anyone should be pissed I think it would be Ernie.
 
OT but are the dashes supposed to be centered with the windows?
If he did steal your design, that's tacky imo.
 
Looks like a simple design

Sunset veneers with mitered sunset boxes. I really see nothing new there. It reminds me of one of my scrugs cues a little and I have had people tell me they had other cues including very old Palmers that looked just like it.



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Well I guess that would be two sunset veneer patterns!
The one on the right will be sold soon! I just have to talk myself into selling it. I have bought it back two times now.
Nick
 
Aren't there just ~so many designs and veneer color combinations you can choose from? Your design doesn't seem complex, although I can see the coincidence you are talking about.

Also, I thought Gilbert also made flame veneer ebony cues, but without the inlays....whose design would that be?

I would call up Gilbert and ask him about it.
 
I don't doubt that it is considered a simple design, but how many veneered windows does he/has he done? Timing is just a bit odd, which is my point... not to mention flame, ebony on ebony, wrap choice, etc..

I will say I wanted a ss joint, he used ivory.... wow....
 
Special ordered cue.. Only a coincidence!

Hey 1p..

That cue that you are referring to was a special order by myself. I told Andy EXACTLY how I wanted the cue, and it came out just as I requested. I know that the design and colors have been used before but he only did as I requested. I ordered the cue over a 18 months ago and received it recently. I sold it shortly thereafter for personal reasons.
Just wanted to let you know that your ideas had nothing to do with Andy's production of this cue.
Strictly coincidental.

Peace, Joe

1pRoscoe said:
So I came up with a design that I really wanted to have done last year... I emailed my specs to a few different cue makers and found one that I wanted to go with. It's actually my turn, I was notified that the forearm is complete and the cue will be done in a few months... I'm happy about that, it's been a little over a year!!

Then I see this...... First cue.

http://new2youqs.com/cues/miscellaneous5.html

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Joe Koontz said:
Hey 1p..

That cue that you are referring to was a special order by myself. I told Andy EXACTLY how I wanted the cue, and it came out just as I requested. I know that the design and colors have been used before but he only did as I requested. I ordered the cue over a 18 months ago and received it recently. I sold it shortly thereafter for personal reasons.
Just wanted to let you know that your ideas had nothing to do with Andy's production of this cue.
Strictly coincidental.

Peace, Joe
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Hell of a coincidence, but thanks for the post.... I asked about 14 months ago..
 
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Which make YOU the copycat, Ross!:p
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Dammit...... Maybe you're right.... Guess I'll have to change the butt up a bit, as the cue is still in progress...
 
I had a cue maker want to charge me $800 to put 1 of 1 on a cue I designed myself!!!! I thought that was nut's being the cue only costed me $775 to make it for me.:mad:
 
bigpocket said:
I had a cue maker want to charge me $800 to put 1 of 1 on a cue I designed myself!!!! I thought that was nut's being the cue only costed me $775 to make it for me.:mad:
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Have Dale Perry make it for you... I'm sure he'll put 1/1 for ya... :D
 
Gilbert Design

Ok I read your post and I can see the possibiity of the coinsidence on the timing of this cue. However Andy has been building this cue for over 5 years now. I know this becuase I designed, drew it up, and mailed it to Andy. I had about 10 variations of this cue over the past five years. I've had 4,5, and 6 pointers and a couple of SW designs crossovers. So even though this looks just like your cue it was probably already on order by another cue buyer.

Andy has about a year wait for his cues right now. I just received my orders about a month ago.

Even though your ebony on ebony design was a custom order unless something is really radical about the design. I dont think you can blame the cuemaker for remaking the cue for another buyer. I mean there are only so many designs that can be built. Andy is one the most reasonably priced cuemakers out there for the quality of his work. All of Andy inlays are manually inlayed with a manual pantagraph machine. Andy does not use any computer assisted equipment in his shop.

I am sorry you had a bad experience with your cue.

Jeff
 
Ros,,

No, it wouldn't. That's a very standard design, and he's done many other cues that were very close. We had him do those ring sets on the first flame pronged ebony on ebony cue, and since they look so great, they've become a common element from him on cue with that setup (flame veneers with ebony and/or tulipwood). He's done upwards of 10-20 by now.

Andy has built a lot of cues over the last 5 years....things with these standard designs are bound to get repeated. That's just the odds.

If it were a real unusual design, then I would have an issue with it.

Just my thoughts.....

Sean
 
cueaddicts said:
Ros,,

No, it wouldn't. That's a very standard design, and he's done many other cues that were very close. We had him do those ring sets on the first flame pronged ebony on ebony cue, and since they look so great, they've become a common element from him on cue with that setup (flame veneers with ebony and/or tulipwood). He's done upwards of 10-20 by now.

Andy has built a lot of cues over the last 5 years....things with these standard designs are bound to get repeated. That's just the odds.

If it were a real unusual design, then I would have an issue with it.

Just my thoughts.....

Sean
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That was kind of my stance on it as well, just was unsure if I was upset over it or not... I hadn't seen mitered veneers from him, especially that close to what I was wanting to do at the time.... Must just be coincidence..

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letsroll said:
I had the same thing happen to me. I ordered a one of a kind design that I designed my self. My cue finally arrived and the inlays were not centered up correctly .. since Andy's wife is now doing his inlays.
Later I saw my one of a kind design on another cue. I hope the work was better on the copy than it was on mine. I'll never order another or recommend Andy's work
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Hey hatchetman, nice 1st post.

If you wanted perfection, you should have spend $5000-$10000 and gotten yourself a Gina or Manzino. BTW, it's not very uncommon for cuemakers wives to be involved in the process....I can think of 5-6 right off. Vickie's doing better inlay work that many others who are doing their own.

One thing's for sure, you got a hand-made cue, not one where somebody plugged in the CNC, hit enter, and took their smoke break !!!

Sean (loves it when some chicken shit with an agenda pulls out the one post steamroll and doesn't sign their name.....)
 
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1pRoscoe said:
Dammit...... Maybe you're right.... Guess I'll have to change the butt up a bit, as the cue is still in progress...
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Although there is nothing truly unique about your design, and I'm sure, in this case, it was produced independantly, you may have gotten a small taste of the "design theft" that Jimbo was harping about some time ago.

Just imagine, if your design was truly unique, and the same thing happened. :eek:
 
1pRoscoe said:
That was kind of my stance on it as well, just was unsure if I was upset over it or not... I hadn't seen mitered veneers from him, especially that close to what I was wanting to do at the time.... Must just be coincidence..

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Yeah....he wasn't doing them before. We kind of got him doing some of those mitered veneer boxes about 4-5 years ago. Turns out he did them so nice and clean that a lot of people liked the look and started ordering them. The way he does them is right up there with the best.....
 
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