If he did accept Rj's offer you would call him names, if he doesn't you call him retarded, isn't there some-type of rule about ad hominem attacks on this forum, all ya'll calling names are catching some redbars from me.
Would you call this great condition?
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If he did accept Rj's offer you would call him names, if he doesn't you call him retarded, isn't there some-type of rule about ad hominem attacks on this forum, all ya'll calling names are catching some redbars from me.
batalarms
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If he did accept Rj's offer you would call him names, if he doesn't you call him retarded, isn't there some-type of rule about ad hominem attacks on this forum, all ya'll calling names are catching some redbars from me.
The OP already called the seller many names,I sure hope you spread the red around. Oh and BTW,he already called me names too on FB.You gotta love it when the noobies want to make policy here.lol
Judge not lest ye shall be judged.
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So apparently 2 wrongs make a right in your eyes?
And I ain't trying to dictate policy around here.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=283422&postcount=1
Are you having the BUTT SLEEVE sanded ( RJ, there is no nick) and re-sprayed?
In addition to a pic of the cue after the BUTT SLEEVE has been sanded, to eliminate an abrasion in the finish which may be the size of a dime, and re-sprayed will you also include a copy of the invoice from PHILLIPPI?
It's obvious the cue will be MINT after the BUTT SLEEVE is sanded and RE-SPRAYED.
batalarms
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If Phillipi sees this post or the one on FB he may not want to do the work.I know I wouldn't ,lol.The OP will never be satisfied .
I’ll give it to Rick and tell him to do whatever he needs to do to make it right. I don’t know if you don’t understand or are trying to misinform. The damage is not the size of a dime. The whole butt below the wrap has been poorly repaired. It’s like someone left sawdust on the cue and then painted it with fingernail polish.
The one spot in my picture is all that shows up well on camera.
I know nothing about cue repairs, but I can’t see how this could be fixed without at least removing and rewrapping the cue. The white buttcap sticks out from the wood just a little on one side, so I don’t know if that would effect trying to refinish it either.
Minor sanding and buffing isn't an issue with regards to a minor (is the depth greater than the thickness of your thumbnail) overhang.
Although you’re probably just attempting to make me look bad in some way, you seem to know what you are talking about, so when I get home I’ll check how thick the white part sticks out. I’ll also try to see if I can take pictures that show the damage better.
Welcome to the AzBilliards twilight zone, the place where people are so clueless that the guy that lies about his listing is praised as a saint, and the guy who calls him on it in an attempt to keep from getting screwed is labeled the scum of the earth and practically run out of town.
And yes, the seller almost certainly lied. We know he knew about the damage because everybody inspects the cues they acquire, so the seller for sure knew about the damage at least at the time that he took possession of the cue. This damage is easily seen and felt in even the most cursory of inspections it seems. So the seller either totally forgot all about the damage on the cue since the time that he acquired it (extremely unlikely as you just don't forget about damage like this especially to an otherwise pristine cue), AND he then didn't even give the cue a five second cursory glance before listing it or shipping it out either one (extremely unlikely as there is nobody that doesn't even give their item a cursory inspection before listing it or shipping it, especially an experienced seller), AND he somehow didn't manage to even accidentally touch that rough butt sleeve or see it during all the times he handled the cue to take pictures of it for the listing or when packing it up to ship out to the buyer (also extremely unlikely)-----OR----- he knew about the damage and decided not to mention it so he could get more than the cue was really worth and crossed his fingers that whoever bought the cue would just let the damage slide because it only needed a butt sleeve refinish that wouldn't be worth pursuing to some people but if they didn't let it slide he would just say he "overlooked" the damage and offer a full refund thereby giving himself plausible deniability and maybe even getting the opportunity to look like a great guy in the process in the eyes of the gullible for "standing behind his product" so there really wasn't any risk for him in trying this little scam.
We all know which one of those two scenarios is about a thousand times more likely than the other, but it doesn't even matter all that much because the level of incompetence and negligence involved in the first scenario is almost as bad as the second scenario. The seller was totally at fault for this mess and put the buyer in a real tough predicament since it was a gift etc. If this were your ordinary mistake that sometimes happens, then an offer of a full refund also covering shipping is more than sufficient. But when the mess is due to your dishonesty or gross negligence, you have more obligation to be both understanding of the problems you have caused for the buyer and more accommodating in how you seek to solve them because it was more than your innocent mistake that caused them, it was your gross negligence or dishonesty.
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I have to keep this in mind your 6 transactions in 12 years must make you an expert.
I have to keep this in mind your 6 transactions in 12 years must make you an expert.
I think I read somewhere in this thread that the sold for about $600, is that correct?
So is that a fair price for this cue? Too much? Good or great price?
So is that a fair price for this cue? Too much? Good or great price?
Probably more an expert than yourself if he knows how to check the condition of a cue before selling it
The market for his cues has always been soft, that was top $ for the cue.
Beautiful cue. It’s nice you knew the true condition of the cue before you bid.
12 pages. Holy sheep shit.
Your original picture showed eneogh.
Michael Webb cuebuilder? If so, wow! Love your work. Couple guys I shoot with have cues you made.
Thank you Sir. But seriously. This thread looks like a soap opera, repeating itself. I wish it was gone. It's more aggravation that you really don't need. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Philippi's cues. You got a keeper by a great Cue maker.
I don’t need the aggravation but I felt strongly that people should know when someone is dishonest selling stuff. Especially when the same guy is selling a $10,000 balabushka too. If nobody speaks up then more people get hurt/screwed.
Him and his buddies blew this way out of proportion attempting to turn it around on me.
I'm expert enough not to lie in my listings, I'm expert enough to take at least 5 seconds to look over what I am selling before I list it, and I'm expert enough to know that I can avoid increased chances for headaches by not dealing with dishonest or grossly negligent guys like you, especially ones that even after the fact still can't even take full ownership of the severity of their failure and learn something from it.
Considering the enormity of your fvck up and how it should have never been able to happen to begin with (you should have chosen to be honest in your listing, or to bother to look at the cue for 5 seconds before listing it, whichever of the two is applicable), a guy who actually cared would be apologizing profusely up and down non stop and trying to bend over backwards to make things right in a way that would minimize the hassle and harm to the buyer. Instead, all you care about is that the cue didn't sell for as much as you wanted (which isn't the buyer's fault), and then you have even have the audacity to feel that he should let your dishonesty slide because the cue still ends up being a good deal anyway in your opinion (even though your opinion on that is wrong, not that it would make any difference). And if he isn't willing to let your dishonesty slide them screw him, he can just get a refund and who cares about the harm your dishonesty has caused him because your dishonesty is his problem, not yours (a severely disappointed and inconvenienced son for whom it was a birthday gift that he had picked himself, and the hassle of having to pack it back up and then go to the post office among other things, all because you felt that milking every penny you could out of the cue was more important than honesty is).
It's a GREAT price and I'll give him what he has in at in a heartbeat, those that know me will tell you that in order to get the best of EVERY deal i resort to clubbing baby seals and still blind kittens