WPA - World Ranking List **NEW**

TXsouthpaw said:
The list is pretty much evenly distributed, with events around the world. Since their isnt much money in pool in the U.S or a governing body that would pay to send players alot of our good players wont go abroad for anything other than the world pool championships So we will never be that high. If we could afford to send SVB abroad i think we could get him to number 1.
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Agreed.

The goverening body isn't rigid in terms of ensuring player participation in that context. But it can't and doesn't get involved in the internals of a National Federation (except where it busts the WPA statutes). So... with that in mind - it looks a bit grim for the majority of the US players (outside the top tier as it were).
 
TheOne said:
Tell us what you really feel! hehe

Ste, Gre told me a while back that they took it offline (well over 6 monhts) because only the eurotour were submitting points on time.

They were working on the issue so now its back up and less euro top heavy I assume they have resolved the problem.

From what Ive been told the list will contain a couple of events from the EuroTour, Asia, and UPA tours plus the majors like u listed (which r usually double points scorers).

I can't think of anything fairer to be honest, give's everyone in each region an equal chance.

PS
Good news, I'm going to order some new cloth for my table so that's one thing less to carry down to london for you, oops I mean us:)

Next weekend ok? :p
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Hmmm - now let me see.....

I'll get my people to talk to your people and see if we can't get something sorted ok ???
 
TXsouthpaw said:
The list is pretty much evenly distributed, with events around the world. Since their isn't much money in pool in the U.S or a governing body that would pay to send players alot of our good players wont go abroad for anything other than the world pool championships So we will never be that high.
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That sums it up pretty well IMO
 
Doesn't mean much

Ranking based on the results of a few recent tournaments? Base them on results over the past year -- that would be more meaningful.
 
Although I cannot use more colorful language than the sentiments already posted, I do think this is a valiant effort to try and put all the groceries in one bag. It would be nice to see a world ranking but frankly, these numbers are barely substantiated. In order to do any sort of a comparative analysis, there has to be a common denominator. Most of these players won't play oneanother so how can you have a standings list? It's a nice thought, though.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Although I cannot use more colorful language than the sentiments already posted, I do think this is a valiant effort to try and put all the groceries in one bag. It would be nice to see a world ranking but frankly, these numbers are barely substantiated. In order to do any sort of a comparative analysis, there has to be a common denominator. Most of these players won't play oneanother so how can you have a standings list? It's a nice thought, though.
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Thats obviously its main flaw, also there are a few fortunate (arguably :p) that play full time and get to travel the world and play all the events which puts them at an advantage.

Until we get one world tour with the same players at each event its probably the best the WPA can do. I guess to be fair the top players in each region would be on the same points and then the major tournaments like the worlds (were most of these top players will go) will then seperate the best of the best.

Still Roy and I'm on it so it still needs work hehe
 
Ste said:
Hmmm - now let me see.....

I'll get my people to talk to your people and see if we can't get something sorted ok ???
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If I find a ground floor pad? :confused:
 
TheOne said:
Thats obviously its main flaw, also there are a few fortunate (arguably :p) that play full time and get to travel the world and play all the events which puts them at an advantage.

Until we get one world tour with the same players at each event its probably the best the WPA can do. I guess to be fair the top players in each region would be on the same points and then the major tournaments like the worlds (were most of these top players will go) will then seperate the best of the best.

Still Roy and I'm on it so it still needs work hehe
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We just need some order. There are TONS of ways to approach it but there needs to be some sort of logic substantiating it all. Perhaps tying all the regional tours together and creating a standings from there? Maybe this could lead to inviting all the top finishers from the regional tours to compete against oneanother and sending those top finishers to compete against international players?
 
Yes, maybe if you could show how the players finished in each of the required tournaments and points acquired. Then you could do a recap of all the tournament stops as a total points and come up with the final list.

Although it would still be difficult to match skill levels to players, it may give an better overall viewing than what is currently presented.

Just a thought
 
I agree with it being a valiant effort. It would be nice to have an accurate world ranking system. But without getting all of these players to play each other on more than an occasion or two it will never be accurate. I like the idea of inviting all the regional tour winners on up to a national level and then sending them on to the international stage. But with all the governing bodies out there fighting for control itll be a looooong time before anybody gets it right. Good to see someone trying though
 
TXsouthpaw said:
I agree with it being a valiant effort. It would be nice to have an accurate world ranking system. But without getting all of these players to play each other on more than an occasion or two it will never be accurate. I like the idea of inviting all the regional tour winners on up to a national level and then sending them on to the international stage. But with all the governing bodies out there fighting for control itll be a looooong time before anybody gets it right. Good to see someone trying though
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For men in the US, the single organization that decides ranking for sending players to international tournaments is the UPA.

At 3-cushion, the procedure for ranking players internationally is well defined. The main (only) way for players to get ranking points are to play in their national, confederational and world championships or to play in officially sanctioned international events (such as WorldCup events). The ranking is given at http://www.umb.org/ under the menu pick "Ranking Lists." There are presently 11 or so events where players can get points. The only national event that gets points is the national championship.
 
Bob Jewett said:
For men in the US, the single organization that decides ranking for sending players to international tournaments is the UPA.

At 3-cushion, the procedure for ranking players internationally is well defined. The main (only) way for players to get ranking points are to play in their national, confederational and world championships or to play in officially sanctioned international events (such as WorldCup events). The ranking is given at http://www.umb.org/ under the menu pick "Ranking Lists." There are presently 11 or so events where players can get points. The only national event that gets points is the national championship.
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what i was referring to was the bca,apa,vnea and those other groups out there and as for the divisiveness in pool right now we need look no further than the Philippines and whats going on over there. It hurts my head to even think about it much less read about it. How does the upa get their rankings, do they base it on events if not then how to they decide whos going where.
 
there are ny'rs on the list that havent even played in a major tournament. forget about them cashing and winning matches they getting points without even showing up?
 
TXsouthpaw said:
just wondering, what r the events they use to calculate this thing. It might be europe heavy because the events r all eurotour events. not knocking the euro players. just trying to find out what events they use for the calculations
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It looks like the World Straight Pool Championships in New Jersey, USA is counted in there. I see a few players in the 241 range that struggled to win matches in that event.

I applaud the attempt to make a "world" list - it's a mighty tall order. It sure does need some fine tuning. Definitely need to clean up the duplicate names to be more professional (Robb Saez, Stevie Moore, Jonathon Smith).

Mebbe someday there'll be a world tour!

Andy
 
alinco said:
It looks like the World Straight Pool Championships in New Jersey, USA is counted in there. I see a few players in the 241 range that struggled to win matches in that event.

I applaud the attempt to make a "world" list - it's a mighty tall order. It sure does need some fine tuning. Definitely need to clean up the duplicate names to be more professional (Robb Saez, Stevie Moore, Jonathon Smith).

Mebbe someday there'll be a world tour!

Andy
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You mean a World Tour "again"....
 
Ste said:
You mean a World Tour "again"....
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I know everyone seems to be over it, but everytime I think about the beauty of the IPT's format, and how brutally it was handled, its makes me sick.
 
I agree. I have my own opinions on the IPT - but what I will say is that was a LOT of effort put into something / concept that had potential, only to have it fail.

There are FAR EASIER ways of ripping people off (which some people - not me, think); which only leads me to conclude that that was, as you say "brutally handled" & managed.

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