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i do hope allison fisher wins and does not get beat by gy young kim
thanks
i do hope allison fisher wins and does not get beat by gy young kim
thanks
WPBA 9-Ball Open
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The smoke has started to clear in Rhode Island, giving us what sizes up as a great Sunday.
Of the five players that have won a title this year, three of them are among the last four.
The most compelling WPBA season since 1995 contihues to serve up some high drama.
Allison Fisher
She began the year with disapppointments at WPBA Carolina, WPBA Michigan City, WPBA San Diego, and also at the World Championships. Was the curtain beginning to close on Allison's era of unparalleled excellence? Maybe not, for she reached the final at the BCA pro event before falling to Karen Corr in the final. She maintained the momentum by winning at WPBA Florida, and here she is again, with a shot at snapping off the WPBA US Open. A win today will firmly establish her again as the one to beat at every WPBA stop.
Ga Young Kim
She's putting together her best year on tour, with a win at WPBA Carolina and also reaching the final at WPBA Michigan city and WPBA Florida. The #3 ranking is within her reach if she can snap off her second US Open title today.
Kelly Fisher
She was ranked #3 before she had to skip an event due to personal reasons in May, but Kelly remains one of the most elite. eerily unable to win anywhere but San Diego to this point of her career, today could be the day when she changes all that, and, like Ga Young, she is surely setting her sights on the #3 ranking on tour. I'd call her the sentimental favorite today, and it will be a great story if she hoists the trophy this evening.
Kim Shaw
Cinderella will appear in the name of Kim Shaw, who has been walking a tightrope, narrowly prevailing in each of her last three matches. Kim is seeking her first WPBA title, and a good performance today would put her back in the top ten by ranking.
So, that's about the size of it.
Of the five players that have won a title this year, three of them are among the last four.
The most compelling WPBA season since 1995 contihues to serve up some high drama.
Allison Fisher
She began the year with disapppointments at WPBA Carolina, WPBA Michigan City, WPBA San Diego, and also at the World Championships. Was the curtain beginning to close on Allison's era of unparalleled excellence? Maybe not, for she reached the final at the BCA pro event before falling to Karen Corr in the final. She maintained the momentum by winning at WPBA Florida, and here she is again, with a shot at snapping off the WPBA US Open. A win today will firmly establish her again as the one to beat at every WPBA stop.
Ga Young Kim
She's putting together her best year on tour, with a win at WPBA Carolina and also reaching the final at WPBA Michigan city and WPBA Florida. The #3 ranking is within her reach if she can snap off her second US Open title today.
Kelly Fisher
She was ranked #3 before she had to skip an event due to personal reasons in May, but Kelly remains one of the most elite. eerily unable to win anywhere but San Diego to this point of her career, today could be the day when she changes all that, and, like Ga Young, she is surely setting her sights on the #3 ranking on tour. I'd call her the sentimental favorite today, and it will be a great story if she hoists the trophy this evening.
Kim Shaw
Cinderella will appear in the name of Kim Shaw, who has been walking a tightrope, narrowly prevailing in each of her last three matches. Kim is seeking her first WPBA title, and a good performance today would put her back in the top ten by ranking.
So, that's about the size of it.
Yeah Baby!!
go GYK!!!
I was right to pick her.
I used to have little respect for the majority of women players out there do to there ( I don't know what it was that seperated them from watching the guys, but I would have to say a powerful stroke), but after having GYK come back on me in a tournament and not only lock me out, but then make me her lil' biatch, she quickly became my favorite female player and I have been singing her praises since 2000 when she kicked the hell out me and then went through another x-pro player before he broke it down and said enough. She has to be close to 21 or 22 by now and that game of hers is growing at quite a rate!! And she breaks with the same crunch as most of the men pros.
go GYK!!!
I was right to pick her.
I used to have little respect for the majority of women players out there do to there ( I don't know what it was that seperated them from watching the guys, but I would have to say a powerful stroke), but after having GYK come back on me in a tournament and not only lock me out, but then make me her lil' biatch, she quickly became my favorite female player and I have been singing her praises since 2000 when she kicked the hell out me and then went through another x-pro player before he broke it down and said enough. She has to be close to 21 or 22 by now and that game of hers is growing at quite a rate!! And she breaks with the same crunch as most of the men pros.
Johnnyt
wow! I can't believe the ending to the WPBA event finals update - I was hoping for Kelly to take the win, but for whomever wrote it to say Allison is the best female player "ever" - kind of took the wind right out of me. there are many female players out there that can dominate her, but they have not made it to the tour yet due to being overseas, etc. from what I heard from someone at the event, she was very fortunate and the win was Kelly's - an unfortunate scratch offered Allison another chance at the table. she by no means dominated. sorry for being so negative, as I appreciate the play by play, but the last sentence agitated me a bit. congrats to both ladies for a great tournament!
9balllvr
9balllvr
9balllvr said:
Allison makes the 6, completes the rack, and adds a third consecutive U.S. Open title to reach a milestone of 50 victories on tour.
This was the sentence before the one your upset about. 50 career wins on the WPBA tour, is a dominance unmatched by any female player ever. You are entitled to your opinion but this is an unprecedented feat in almost any sport and until another players matches that, I think being heralded as the World's best is well deserved.
9balllvr said:
the match review says that Kelly scratched off the nine while pocketing the eight. If you run into the nine as you pocket the eight, it is usually a poor shot, and while it's true that it may not always mean the end of the runout , sometimes it does. Rest assured, Kelly Fisher understands this. Nonetheless, the match review also notes that Kelly Fisher failed on an attempted safety in the double hill rack, so she had her chance to win control of the table at double hill and wasn't up to it, and it ended her bid for the title. Poor execution cost her the title, at least in my estimation, and quite probably in hers.
These "many female players that can dominate Allison" that you refer to, I can't even begin to imagine who you mean, and, yes, I do follow women's pool in both Europe and Asia. Allison has, quite simply, been the most "unbeatable" player in history. To give you a feel for this, Allison Fisher joined the WPBA tour in 1995. Five full years later, Tiffany Nelson became the first unseeded (meaning not ranked in the WPBA top 16) player to win a match against her. For years, Allison has made all but the most elite look like pretenders.
i am not sure that this will come out the way i want it to, but here goes. please don't misunderstand my intent - i will concede that allison has been a driving force on the WPBA since her arrival, and also that she has had an outrageous run - i take nothing away from her talent or dedication to the sport. the reason the sentence agitated me so was that i felt it was insensitive to her opponent - i suppose that is all in the way you read it and not so much in the statement itself. i did read the entire article and very much appreciate her achievements, but stand strong in that there are many players out there that have the potential to dominate the tour just as she has given some time - maybe i am wrong in that statement because the caliber of play is becoming much higher than in past years and it is more difficult to repeat consistently. i think the combination of her skill and the caliber of play of other players on the tour up until now have all contributed to her success.
in a nutshell, sjm and cuechick, we are saying the same thing - it is a tremendous job on her part - for that i do appreciate her talent and performances - i just thought it was insensitive to finish the article that way.
in a nutshell, sjm and cuechick, we are saying the same thing - it is a tremendous job on her part - for that i do appreciate her talent and performances - i just thought it was insensitive to finish the article that way.
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Here's the final sentence from the match report: "The fans showed their appreciation with a resounding, standing ovation for the greatest female pool player, ever."9balllvr said:
The fans showed their appreciation for Allie by giving her a standing ovation. While the last sentence had a little bit of embellishment, you're reading too much into the sentence if you think that it was insensitive to her opponent. For all we know, Kelly probably applauded too.
If you know of a female player who has accomplished more than Allison has, let's hear it.
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9balllvr said:
There may well be some other great women pool players. In fact, I think Jasmin is destined for greatness. But Allison has set the bar high for whoever follows her. She is like the Annika Sorenstam of Women's Pool. It remains to be seen if there is someone out there who will surpass her records.
Only Karen Corr has come close to matching the accomplishments of Allison. No one else is close. As far as best women player ever. That could be argued between Allison, Ruth McGinnis and Jean Balukas. It's a very short list!
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jay helfert said:
Ruth died when I was a teenager, and I heard a lot about her, but never met her. More than a few of the old timers felt Ruth and Jean played at exactly the same level. Jean once mentioned to me that she and Ruth had the same high run in straight pool. I think the number was 134, but I'm not 100% certain of it.
Certainly, Jean and Ruth stand alone in the straight pool discussion. Still, the player talent pool has, for the first time in the history of women's pro pool, been fairly deep in the last twelve years, the ones in which Allison has competed, yet she's had two different five year strings as the #1 ranked player. To me, because of the quality of the competition she faced, Allison's is the greatest resume in the history of women's pro pool.
i do appreciate and respect your thoughts on the subject. i have never implied that she did not deserve respect for her accomplishments. the great thing about forums is you have the opportunity to add your opinion to them and that is what i did here. you don't have to agree with my thoughts, but i do understand where each of you are coming from.
take care.
take care.
John Barton
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And Allison has the greatest resume in women's pro Snooker as well. There aren't any women on the tour that can dominate like Allison. There is no question that the gap between Allison and the other players is closing and it's primarily because she has inspired every other woman player to get better.
We shouldn't rule out that the new format informally titled the "Allison Fisher Rules" is primarily designed to prevent her from dominating the tour but taking away the double loss with 16 players left. It effectively gives almost the entire field two shots to her one to win any tournament.
In women's nine ball Allison definitely stands heads and shoulders above the rest of the crowd and they have years and years of winning to do to catch up.
We shouldn't rule out that the new format informally titled the "Allison Fisher Rules"
is primarily designed to prevent her from dominating the tour but taking away the double loss with 16 players left. It effectively gives almost the entire field two shots to her one to win any tournament.In women's nine ball Allison definitely stands heads and shoulders above the rest of the crowd and they have years and years of winning to do to catch up.
John Barton
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I forgot to say that I think Karen Corr's year where she won all the Tour Stops might be considered one of the greatest accomplishments by a player, especially as it was done in the Allison Fisher era.
John Barton -
Sorry I screwed up putting in the quote
The new breed of Chinese players are being coached by top Taiwanese coaches and they truly play just about perfect. The girl who is ranked fifth in China just recently placed 4th in a large tournament that featured China's top players, men and women, playing together
The tournament in Shanghai last month was a 5 day China ranking tournament held at the Pan Xiao Ting pool room in Shanghai. It was both men and women but they did not play each other. I was there all days.
The women's side was won by Li Jia over Han Yue(I think). Pan Xiao Ting lost to Li Jia in the semis and Han Yue beat Dang Can(sp). I think Dang Can is probably who you are talking about. She is originally from Xiamen and is the younger sister of Dang Jin Hu who played as a local qualifier in the Shanghai Guinness match last weekend.
Dang Can lives in Shanghai now and is a teaching pro at a local pool room. She's a good player with a great personality and I think only about 20.
Sorry I screwed up putting in the quote
The new breed of Chinese players are being coached by top Taiwanese coaches and they truly play just about perfect. The girl who is ranked fifth in China just recently placed 4th in a large tournament that featured China's top players, men and women, playing together
The tournament in Shanghai last month was a 5 day China ranking tournament held at the Pan Xiao Ting pool room in Shanghai. It was both men and women but they did not play each other. I was there all days.
The women's side was won by Li Jia over Han Yue(I think). Pan Xiao Ting lost to Li Jia in the semis and Han Yue beat Dang Can(sp). I think Dang Can is probably who you are talking about. She is originally from Xiamen and is the younger sister of Dang Jin Hu who played as a local qualifier in the Shanghai Guinness match last weekend.
Dang Can lives in Shanghai now and is a teaching pro at a local pool room. She's a good player with a great personality and I think only about 20.
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John Barton
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GaDawg - no the person I am referering to still lives here in Xiamen and is the teaching pro at a local poolroom called T-9. Her name is Chen Xue and my girlfriend says it was fifth place and she cannot remember if it was a seperate tournament or not. But I guess it was seperate since you were there.
Anyway, she plays pretty sporty. Ran eight and out in her third one pocket game with me after making a great cross corner and playing perfect shape on the correct side of the stack.
They definitely have some depth building in China from what I can see.
Anyway, she plays pretty sporty. Ran eight and out in her third one pocket game with me after making a great cross corner and playing perfect shape on the correct side of the stack.
They definitely have some depth building in China from what I can see.