WPBA or Men's Regional Tours: Whats Tougher?

What's The Hardest Tour To Win On ?

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Was wondering what everyone else out there was thinking .
Is winning a WPBA event easier or harder to win then a men's regional tour event like the Seminole FL Pro Tour, The Joss Northeast, Predator 9Ball Tour etc

while we are at it, guess we can also find out which is the toughest regional tour

It seems Joss, Predator, Fast Eddies, and SEminole tours are the four toughest. I personally give FL Tour the edge as toughest because of the consistent top pro calibre players it draws like STevie Moore, Rodney Morris, Thorsten Hohmann, Cory Deuel, Charlie Williams, Tony CRosby, Mike Davis etc. also 10-ball is a more challenging game than 9ball, so harder for the weaker players to win
 
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Spade said:
Was wondering what everyone else out there was thinking .
Is winning a WPBA event easier or harder to win then a men's regional tour event like the Seminole FL Pro Tour, The Joss Northeast, Predator 9Ball Tour etc

while we are at it, guess we can also find out which is the toughest regional tour

It seems Joss, Predator, Fast Eddies, and SEminole tours are the four toughest. I personally give FL Tour the edge as toughest because of the consistent top pro calibre players it draws like STevie Moore, Rodney Morris, Thorsten Hohmann, Cory Deuel, Charlie Williams, Tony CRosby, Mike Davis etc.
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Womens tours are for Women ONLY! Most mens tours are open to ANYONE. There are reasons for this, and that also answers your question. No need to stir up trouble. :wink:

td
 
lol, not trying to stir up trouble.
we actually had a interesting conversation about the play of the women and how far theyve come along , with such women as Jasmin and Corr doing very well against the men. which led to the question of how strong is the skill level and difficulty of winning a major womens pro event compared to mens events. whats harder essentially, winning a regional mens event or beating the best women in the world ?

jus curious to know
 
its hard to believe that the seminole tour is so highly regarded and yet they very rarely get a full field???
anyone have an opinion why
 
Economics.

It is tough to win one of these events. I think most players would rather gamble than spend money on the travel and entry fee. JMHO
 
poolstar31 said:
Economics.

It is tough to win one of these events. I think most players would rather gamble than spend money on the travel and entry fee. JMHO
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Maybe that's what they would rather do, but really, how often does this happen. There are few pros who gamble much.

We just had the Fast Eddies event this past weekend with an entry of $65.00 and 1st place paying $1400. In gamblers terms, that is pretty good odds on your money.

As far as the toughest Tour, I've not given that a lot of thought, but any event on most any tour these days are tough to win. Again though, it is supposed to be tough.
 
Regional tours are tougher. The reason is that there are so many more very good men than women. The top women could hang with the top pro men but the rest of the field in a women's event cannot. However a regional event draws a lot of shortstops who can beat any male pro in a short set on a good day. And on top of that a lot of regionals draw several top pros.

Basically the top women are simply outnumbered by men who are equally as good.

Even so Allison and Karen have both won against tough fields at regional events. And Monica and Helena regularly do quite well. I expect that you would see more women winning these regionals if they played in them more often.
 
OK I'll take the hook and get flamed here. Even though I feel the Seminole 10-ball tour is the strongest tour in the poll, I don't think there are many men pros who would like to draw Allison, followed by Jasmin, followed by Karen Corr either. There are Ga Young Kim, X Pan, Yu Ram Cha, Monica, Gerda, and a few up and coming stars that can play pretty good right behind them. So wining a WPBA tour stop is no cake walk for anyone anymore... IMHO. Johnnyt
 
You won't like my answer but here goes. Regional Tours typically have smaller fields and fewer top players in them. More often than not, only four or five players have a realistic chance to win. The Seminole Tour may have the deepest fields and be the toughest regional tour currently.

On the WPBA Tour you have 64 players and almost all can play. At least three quarters of the field is capable of beating anyone else in the tournament. Upsets frequently do happen in the early rounds. And about half the field are strong players. There are a lot more than six or eight very strong players on the Women's tour today. More like sixteen to twenty.

And then you have to find a way to get past Allison and Karen, a formidable task in itself. I would say the level of competition on this tour is at an all time high right now. At least a dozen women players are capable of winning any WPBA event.
 
Regionals vs. WPBA

Maybe a dozen might be capable, but only 5 or 6 players do win the tournament. Others just fall in the 9th-12th range consistently, they are just contenders. The bottom half of a WPBA tournament do not play that strong.

I think the Regionals are tougher. Besides having more good players, more players play a tougher game. They will play safeties more often and better safeties, and they break better normally, which lead to runouts. I have a hard time believing the tables break so easily in some of the women's TV rounds.

Regionals (Midwest 9 ball tour) draw players like James Waldon, Gabe Owen, Joey Gray, Shane McMinn, Michael Banks, Jr, and a host of others, including well known pros, like Parica.

The competition level among women has risen for the most part, but only 5 or 6 could have any chance in a tough regional. I must state, although, that I commend Karen Corr for her participation in Open events, and not being afraid to mix it up with the Boys.
 
jay helfert said:
You won't like my answer but here goes. Regional Tours typically have smaller fields and fewer top players in them. More often than not, only four or five players have a realistic chance to win. The Seminole Tour may have the deepest fields and be the toughest regional tour currently.

On the WPBA Tour you have 64 players and almost all can play. At least three quarters of the field is capable of beating anyone else in the tournament. Upsets frequently do happen in the early rounds. And about half the field are strong players. There are a lot more than six or eight very strong players on the Women's tour today. More like sixteen to twenty.

And then you have to find a way to get past Allison and Karen, a formidable task in itself. I would say the level of competition on this tour is at an all time high right now. At least a dozen women players are capable of winning any WPBA event.
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We had a Fast Eddies event a couple of years ago and drew a tough field. The likes of JJ ,Gabe, Cliff, Sparky, Corey, Hillbilly, Chen, David G, and some others who are tough. All of a sudden, Vivian shows out of the blue and she is playing pretty well.

Our ladies event runs on Sunday only. Viv is still alive in the Open and enters the ladies as well.

Well she goes on to get 4th losing a hill-hill speeker to Cliff and wins the ladies event which is not the WPBA, but it's no cream puff either.

Well, this episode forced us to make a ruling that if alive on Sunday you can't enter both. We hated to do it because we really respected what she was doing, but it was a scheduling nightmare.

I agree with Jay here though that Ladies pool talent has never been so deep as now. I do though feell it will get tougher and tougher over the next few years. Allison and Karen have made a huge impact on ladies pool.
 
i agree, hands down the men's regional are still a level above the womens pro tour. To win a mens regional ud have to beat 3-4 Allisons speed or better
The women are improving fast tho and it is a lightyear of what it used to be

The mens major events are a good 2-3 notches above the regional events, and 3-4 above the women still


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Maybe a dozen might be capable, but only 5 or 6 players do win the tournament. Others just fall in the 9th-12th range consistently, they are just contenders. The bottom half of a WPBA tournament do not play that strong.

I think the Regionals are tougher. Besides having more good players, more players play a tougher game. They will play safeties more often and better safeties, and they break better normally, which lead to runouts. I have a hard time believing the tables break so easily in some of the women's TV rounds.

Regionals (Midwest 9 ball tour) draw players like James Waldon, Gabe Owen, Joey Gray, Shane McMinn, Michael Banks, Jr, and a host of others, including well known pros, like Parica.

The competition level among women has risen for the most part, but only 5 or 6 could have any chance in a tough regional. I must state, although, that I commend Karen Corr for her participation in Open events, and not being afraid to mix it up with the Boys.
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I have had this talk mant times. Without it even being a male/female thing, the answer becomes very simple.


Who is typically better A) the best of 100 players or

B) the best of 1000 players?


Simply speaking, there are more men that play pool ( great or otherwise) than women. So logically the best ranked men will play better than the best ranked women. Simple math.

Obviously the TOP women CAn compete with the top men, but it drops off quickly as you go down the rankings.

How about the #29 raked mens pro vs #29 ranked womens pro?
 
How about the mens 1029th vs the womans 29th! That would be a lttle closer to a fair comparison, and thats really probably not far enough down on the men's side.

Jeremy
 
This is a no-brainer. Although the ladies play very well these days, men's regional tour events have tougher fields than a WPBA event.

As an example, just two weekends ago, Jasmin and Jeanette both played in the Predator Tour event, and came fifth and ninth, respectively. Three days later, they went on to the WPBA Carolina Classic and finished first and second, respectively.

The WPBA tour is stronger and deeper than ever before, but not as strong nor as deep as a men's typical regional tour event. In my opinion, the ladies who are good enough to win a WPBA event are always a threat for a top five finish in any men's regional tour event, but they will very rarely win one.
 
I think a lot of people failed to read and respond to the question that was presented by the OP. He did not ask for a comparison as to who were the best players, WPBA pros vs. regional men players. He asked instead which tournament was harder to win, a WPBA pro tour event or a regional men's tournament. And I still say it is harder to win a WPBA event because of the over all level of competition and the large number of good players.

In most regional events (other than the Seminole Tour), there are only five or six players who have a realistic chance of winning. On the Seminole Tour it may be double that. On the WPBA Tour there maybe as many as 12-16 women who can win any event. JMHO :wink:
 
jay helfert said:
I think a lot of people failed to read and respond to the question that was presented by the OP. He did not ask for a comparison as to who were the best players, WPBA pros vs. regional men players. He asked instead which tournament was harder to win, a WPBA pro tour event or a regional men's tournament. And I still say it is harder to win a WPBA event because of the over all level of competition and the large number of good players.

In most regional events (other than the Seminole Tour), there are only five or six players who have a realistic chance of winning. On the Seminole Tour it may be double that. On the WPBA Tour there maybe as many as 12-16 women who can win any event. JMHO :wink:
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Actually, the way I read the first post the question was how does the WPBA ( written in bold) compare to the other tours combined. So the question was essentially how do the women play as compared to the men.

I see the point you are making. That the competition is closer in the WPBA than the mens. I am not sure that was the question. You are saying that it is more up in the air among those players. 12-16 out of 64 have a chance of winning any event as opposed to 5-6 out of even more players who have a realistic chance of winning sounds like a tougher event to me.

He is saying which is tougher. I can only assume he means which has a higher level of play, not which is more predictable.

If I have a 16 player invitational tournament in my house. Nobody on here would have a chance ( because I did not invite them!). This does not make my tournamnent a "tougher" tournamnet than a pro event.

Again this is my take. Feel free to correct me if I did misinterpret something.
 
jay helfert said:
I think a lot of people failed to read and respond to the question that was presented by the OP. He did not ask for a comparison as to who were the best players, WPBA pros vs. regional men players. He asked instead which tournament was harder to win, a WPBA pro tour event or a regional men's tournament. And I still say it is harder to win a WPBA event because of the over all level of competition and the large number of good players.

In most regional events (other than the Seminole Tour), there are only five or six players who have a realistic chance of winning. On the Seminole Tour it may be double that. On the WPBA Tour there maybe as many as 12-16 women who can win any event. JMHO :wink:
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I have to disagree with you, I don't understand your point. Because there is no way any WPBA event is stronger than the Seminole pro tour! The top 12-16 in the Wpba have 0 shot of winning a Seminole event. They would have to get a great draw to cash at alot of the events. And once you get past the top 20 of the WPBA there a bunch of B players! The bottom half of the WPBA couldn't win an amateur event! JMHO

Jeremy
 
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