WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

CJ,

There is no way you could ever do a video of everything you have mentioned/covered here. If you did it would be 4 or 5 hours long.

Why not copy and paste all these good suggestions into a book, maybe called "CJ's Tip's" and post it on your website.

I dont think I would change any of the wording....much. There is just a ton of information/suggestions to absorb from your writings.

There is a free program out there that allows for high speed camera examination of sports. Its called "Kinovea" try it out. Was posted by Okie on another thread. (thanks Okie this has come in handy)

John
 
One Pocket John said:
CJ,

There is no way you could ever do a video of everything you have mentioned/covered here. If you did it would be 4 or 5 hours long.

Why not copy and paste all these good suggestions into a book, maybe called "CJ's Tip's" and post it on your website.

I dont think I would change any of the wording....much. There is just a ton of information/suggestions to absorb from your writings.

There is a free program out there that allows for high speed camera examination of sports. Its called "Kinovea" try it out. Was posted by Okie on another thread. (thanks Okie this has come in handy)

John
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lol. (I *cannot* possibly be the only one thinking it.)

Lou Figueroa
 
We just put over 300 hours into filming, editing and the post production

One Pocket John said:
CJ,

There is no way you could ever do a video of everything you have mentioned/covered here. If you did it would be 4 or 5 hours long.

Why not copy and paste all these good suggestions into a book, maybe called "CJ's Tip's" and post it on your website.

I dont think I would change any of the wording....much. There is just a ton of information/suggestions to absorb from your writings.

There is a free program out there that allows for high speed camera examination of sports. Its called "Kinovea" try it out. Was posted by Okie on another thread. (thanks Okie this has come in handy)

John
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Yes, and the videoing makes it much easier than the "written word". My new video series will be starting on AZBILLIARDS as soon as that section is up and running. That's the only reason I even started posting on this Forum was in anticipation of doing this work with them on the video instructional element.

Writing isn't my favorite thing to do, but "when in Rome, do as the Romans," so life doesn't always give you what you want , but often gives us what we need. Life is the ultimate teacher. :wink:

I'm working with 12 other web sites and several face book accounts, you tube and Google doing that very thing (with a reach of over 2 million people a year). We just put over 300 hours into filming, editing and the post production of my new DVD, so that has taken up a lot of focus the past 2 months.

We have it done and it's going to press this week, and should be available within 2 weeks. We may put a downloadable version on line for those that want to see it without the DVD.

Thanks John, we have a whole lot of information coming out that has been shared by many of the top "road men" of all time. Surfer Rod and Omaha John were inpirational in my development. John directly, and "Surfer Rod" indirectly (through his writings, facebook and John's strories). 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
Yes, and the videoing makes it much easier than the "written word". My new video series will be starting on AZBILLIARDS as soon as that section is up and running. That's the only reason I even started posting on this Forum was in anticipation of doing this work with them on the video instructional element.

Writing isn't my favorite thing to do, but "when in Rome, do as the Romans," so life doesn't always give you what you want , but often gives us what we need. Life is the ultimate teacher. :wink:

I'm working with 12 other web sites and several face book accounts, you tube and Google doing that very thing (with a reach of over 2 million people a year). We just put over 300 hours into filming, editing and the post production of my new DVD, so that has taken up a lot of focus the past 2 months.

We have it done and it's going to press this week, and should be available within 2 weeks. We may put a downloadable version on line for those that want to see it without the DVD.

Thanks John, we have a whole lot of information coming out that has been shared by many of the top "road men" of all time. Surfer Rod and Omaha John were inpirational in my development. John directly, and "Surfer Rod" indirectly (through his writings, facebook and John's strories). 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Thats great. Looking forward to all your work.

Like you have always stated, "This is how I do it, give it a try, if its not for you, put it on a shelf for later"

You cant beat a deal like that.

I'm a low T kinda guy, so I'll leave it at that.

I guess I'll be pretty busy for the next year. Was hoping to enter some tourneys the first part of next year, but I'm going to hold off. Because if I enter I have every intention of winning. Being second is a loser.

Thanks CJ

John
 
'The Game{and sometimes your opponent} is the Teacher'

Pay Up Sucker said:
for a cut to the left:

right side of the shaft/tip going from the vertical axis of the cue ball to the left edge of the object ball and then pivot tip to center ball. Use some feel until you get the hang of the technique because its not easy to describe on here.
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Does this technique use any other parts of the tip other than the right and left edge? I know two different types of "tip systems" that I've experimented with over the years, but none that required "pivoting".

The only exception is the banking system I use that pivots to create different angles. This was shown to me by "Tony Fargo", and I gladly paid half of $700 to learn it. He showed it to me AFTER I beat him out of $7000. on a 10' Table.

I was SO impressed with his banking ability that I took a banking lesson from him. This was the only time in my career that I beat a guy gambling, then took a lesson off of him. 'The Game{and sometimes your opponent} is the Teacher' :wink:
 
Just an aside, CJ I played payball on a 10' snooker table with Tony Fargo in Springfield roughly 25 years ago. He didn't like it and his backer was waving his arms and shouting, "get off him". :grin:

But there is no way on earth I would have played bank anything with that guy.
 
CJ Wiley said:
... on a thin cut put the right edge of the tip on the left edge of the object ball. ...
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Mikjary said:
Don't give this one up, CJ! J/K I use this technique to cut the paint off of balls 9 feet away. ...
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Pay Up Sucker said:
... This is a form of CTE, correct? ...
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No, I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with CTE. It's just a good approximation method for real thin cuts at long distances. Here's why.

Assume we're shooting a real thin cut shot, one where the center of the ghost ball would be almost half a ball off the edge of the OB -- basically, nearly an edge-to-edge cut shot.

When the CB/OB separation is large, the OB looks much smaller than the CB. In fact, with a 13 mm ferrule, the apparent width of the ferrule in shooting position behind the CB is approximately the same as the apparent width of the OB way down table. So when you aim the side of the ferrule at the edge of the OB, you are essentially also pointing the center of the ferrule at approximately the center of the ghost ball -- just where you need to! However, it's just an approximation for accurately aiming CB edge to OB edge (or ferrule center to ghost ball center), and its effectiveness should vary as the apparent widths of the ferrule and the OB change with changes in the amount of CB/OB separation.

But when the CB/OB separation is not large, the apparent width of the ferrule in shooting position behind the CB is smaller than the apparent width of the OB. So aiming the side of the ferrule at the edge of the OB is then not the same as aiming the center of the ferrule a half ball off the edge of the OB, and further adjustments would be needed to make this technique work.
 
The distance between the balls changes where you aim the edge of the tip, more or less. Easy to get used to after a little practice. The other key to consistency with it is where the eyes are lined up on the shot. Geno's Perfect Aim is the best bet to use.

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
The distance between the balls changes where you aim the edge of the tip, more or less. Easy to get used to after a little practice. The other key to consistency with it is where the eyes are lined up on the shot. Geno's Perfect Aim is the best bet to use.

Best,
Mike
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Right. As the CB/OB separation decreases, you'd have to aim the side of the ferrule more and more off the OB edge and/or vary eye position.

To me, this seems to introduce additional and unnecessary variables. I always favor doing things directly when possible. So for a (nearly) edge-to-edge cut, just aim one edge (nearly) at the other -- contact point to contact point.
 
Pay Up Sucker said:
ok i think i get it. He is basically aiming with his cue and not the ghost ball or contact point.
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Yes -- for a distant OB, aim the inside edge of the tip/ferrule/cue at the outside edge of the OB, shooting through the center of the CB (whether CJ does this, too, with a "touch of inside" and an angled cue, I don't know).
 
Mentally it's best to get down on the shot "as if" it's already been made.

AtLarge said:
Yes -- for a distant OB, aim the inside edge of the tip/ferrule/cue at the outside edge of the OB, shooting through the center of the CB (whether CJ does this, too, with a "touch of inside" and an angled cue, I don't know).
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I do my aiming above the ball, before I get down on the shot. I'm basically doing a "connection system" by connecting a quarter of the cue ball at either the center or edge of the cue ball. When I get down I just aim at a specific spot of the cue ball (slightly inside) with a specific part of the tip (the top portion between the center and edge depending on the angle).

There seems to be an optical illusion if I don't commit to hitting the cue ball precisely and just "be aware" of the object ball. Mentally it's best to get down on the shot "as if" it's already been made.

The mind is a powerful thing and sometimes we have to develop our own, personal way of "getting out of the way" consciously. I get the sensation that I'm "feeling the angle" with my eyes and connecting the balls to the undercut side of the pocket. Then I accelerate with the "Touch" of Inside (not spinning, deflecting it slightly) and cut the ball into the center of the pocket. When using spin I"m very aware of my speed and cue angle so the deflection and spin are equal.
 
the 'Master Eye', "all I know is I play better with two than I do with one"

Mikjary said:
The distance between the balls changes where you aim the edge of the tip, more or less. Easy to get used to after a little practice. The other key to consistency with it is where the eyes are lined up on the shot. Geno's Perfect Aim is the best bet to use.

Best,
Mike
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Geno started to describe some things about his technique in Austin, but we didn't have time to get into it. I hear people are getting good results and that's the important thing. He said we have a "far sighted" dominant eye and a "near sighted" dominant eye. I had never heard anything like that before.

I'm like the legendary Golfer, Bobby Jones, and "never thought much about the 'Master Eye', all I know is I play better with two than I do with one".

Indeed :smile:
 
CJ:
It's easy to say "hit the cue ball more precisely", however, what does that mean specifically and why is it so important?
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Glad you asked. Here's a discussion of that very topic: "Aim Small" On the Cue Ball

It means just what it says, with no gimmicks, tricks or "secrets". In fact, strip away the "secret" language from what you've said and "hit the cue ball more precisely" is mostly what remains. It's good, simple advice that can be described in a simple straightforward way without marketing jabber.

pj
chgo
 
CJ Wiley said:
I do my aiming above the ball, before I get down on the shot. I'm basically doing a "connection system" by connecting a quarter of the cue ball at either the center or edge of the cue ball. When I get down I just aim at a specific spot of the cue ball (slightly inside) with a specific part of the tip (the top portion between the center and edge depending on the angle).

There seems to be an optical illusion if I don't commit to hitting the cue ball precisely and just "be aware" of the object ball. Mentally it's best to get down on the shot "as if" it's already been made.

The mind is a powerful thing and sometimes we have to develop our own, personal way of "getting out of the way" consciously. I get the sensation that I'm "feeling the angle" with my eyes and connecting the balls to the undercut side of the pocket. Then I accelerate with the "Touch" of Inside (not spinning, deflecting it slightly) and cut the ball into the center of the pocket. When using spin I"m very aware of my speed and cue angle so the deflection and spin are equal.
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so ... after all the measuring was done and you're actually shooting... which ball you're looking at? cue ball or object ball?
I believe that when I shoot ,I do this: before getting ready to shoot, first I look at the pocket, then connect the two lines between the cue ball and the object ball, then line up for the shot, then find the spot on the cue ball where to hit it, and finally when I shoot, I look at the object ball like the pocket doesn't even exist. And when I hit it good, I already know that the ball goes in, no even need to see if it went- it's already disappeared inside anyway lol
 
Shoot every shot until you make it and go to a different angle.

madmiller said:
so ... after all the measuring was done and you're actually shooting... which ball you're looking at? cue ball or object ball?
I believe that when I shoot ,I do this: before getting ready to shoot, first I look at the pocket, then connect the two lines between the cue ball and the object ball, then line up for the shot, then find the spot on the cue ball where to hit it, and finally when I shoot, I look at the object ball like the pocket doesn't even exist. And when I hit it good, I already know that the ball goes in, no even need to see if it went- it's already disappeared inside anyway lol
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You will want to look at the object ball last and actually watch it go in the pocket. You really do want to know what part of the pocket you hit. There'a a few reasons for this that I'll get into later.

Connecting the two balls before you get down is important. Creating the limited amount of angles required to play pocket billiards is not a tremendous task for your unconscious mind. On the other hand if you "think about it" to much it will interfere with your ability to be creative.

I suggest you shoot a variety of angles and make sure to watch the object ball go in the pocket. Everyone has to train themselves and practice different shots and angles.

Practice is something you will always need to do and pros will continue to set up angles and challenging shots they are having trouble with. Even the greatest players have to maintain their ability to pocket balls, get pin point positon, and precisely strike the ball.

Shoot every shot until you make it and go to a different angle. I don't recommend trying to make more than a few in a row, you don't want your mind to start calulating the "odds of making any certain shot". Always leave a positive impression of making the ball mentally. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
AtLarge said:
Right. As the CB/OB separation decreases, you'd have to aim the side of the ferrule more and more off the OB edge and/or vary eye position.
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I aim the opposite because of my eye position. I also don't vary how I see the shot except to account for distance. This is learned with practice.

Best,
Mike
 
madmiller said:
Nice job!
By the way, yesterday I went to play the toughest bar box tournament in town (8ball, single match format, double elimination) and took 5th place out of 32 entries.

Congratulations!

You're progress seems phenomenal.

Congratulations again,
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