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I'm basically "Connecting the Dots,"

naji said:
I do not know what aiming system you use, my system, i aim with CB/OB i focus on CB, OB and where i am aiming until the sweet spot is developed on OB. Where i aim is usually determined before i go down according to shot speed, slide, role, english, swerve, squirt, with my small tip my max aim offset from pocket is usually less than a ball width, when i shoot with 13 mm or larger tip my aim offset increases to two balls width which makes it hard to judge..
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Sounds complicated, the aiming to me is just a way to connect/create the angle BEFORE going down on the shot. I line up a spot on the cue ball to either the center or edge of the Object ball. Then when I come down I have a "check and balance" using the "Touch of Inside" to line up my Inside Spot to the center or edge of the O.B.

I'm basically "Connecting the Dots," and then coming down and concentrating on hitting the cue ball VERY precisely just a "touch" to the inside.

My aiming system is on my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' DVD at www.cjwiley.com
 
CJ Wiley said:
Sounds complicated, the aiming to me is just a way to connect/create the angle BEFORE going down on the shot. I line up a spot on the cue ball to either the center or edge of the Object ball. Then when I come down I have a "check and balance" using the "Touch of Inside" to line up my Inside Spot to the center or edge of the O.B.

I'm basically "Connecting the Dots," and then coming down and concentrating on hitting the cue ball VERY precisely just a "touch" to the inside.

My aiming system is on my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' DVD at www.cjwiley.com
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How do you aim when the cut angle more than 70 degrees? Don't You still have to make adjustments to aim based on your bridge hand location due to OB obstacles or near rail shots. Also what if you want outside english? I know you are used to it, but why inject inside english in every shot?

I am not saying what i use is perfect but i have been extremely consistent with and without any english no matter what speed, only time i take my time is on long shots that requires attention, other wise, i just go down and shoot quick with all the calculations done instantly.
 
Cj's center of the cue ball is offset a touch in side of the vertical axis of the cue ball. Your center of the cue ball is on the vertical axis of the cue ball. He is not pivoted or paralleled to the inside, his entire alignment is a touch inside lined up to the contact point he wants to hit. Now with this technique the contact point is kind of a reference for him because he just wants the cue ball to kind of bump/rebound/ ricochet/etc into the object ball throwing it to the pocket. With this technique, you do not have to be exactly on the object ball contact point to make the shot. :) He has a center cue ball it is just at a different spot than yours, so he would put English on the ball the same as you would.

I think he likes this technique also because of cue ball control, its very controllable and predictable. He doesn't seem to like the cue ball spinning off the object ball and hoping he lands good on the next shot. he want to control his destiny as much as possible and not rely on luck. This is how I read CJ :D
 
Even if the ld shaft cuts down the deflection of the cue ball? Would I have to use more inside then?
 
CJ Wiley said:
Sounds complicated, the aiming to me is just a way to connect/create the angle BEFORE going down on the shot. I line up a spot on the cue ball to either the center or edge of the Object ball. Then when I come down I have a "check and balance" using the "Touch of Inside" to line up my Inside Spot to the center or edge of the O.B.

I'm basically "Connecting the Dots," and then coming down and concentrating on hitting the cue ball VERY precisely just a "touch" to the inside.

My aiming system is on my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' DVD at www.cjwiley.com
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CJ,

Where and what is your "Inside Spot" located? By what, I mean do you look behind a certain spot behind the cue ball to line up the shot? IF so, where is it located. I may have missed this from previous posts. My bad if so.

Are you saying that you line up the Inside Spot with the edge of the object ball if it is a thin cut and also line up the Inside Spot with the Center of the object ball when it is a thick cut?

Thanks,
 
Pay Up Sucker said:
Cj's center of the cue ball is offset a touch in side of the vertical axis of the cue ball. Your center of the cue ball is on the vertical axis of the cue ball. He is not pivoted or paralleled to the inside, his entire alignment is a touch inside lined up to the contact point he wants to hit. Now with this technique the contact point is kind of a reference for him because he just wants the cue ball to kind of bump/rebound/ ricochet/etc into the object ball throwing it to the pocket. With this technique, you do not have to be exactly on the object ball contact point to make the shot. :) He has a center cue ball it is just at a different spot than yours, so he would put English on the ball the same as you would.

I think he likes this technique also because of cue ball control, its very controllable and predictable. He doesn't seem to like the cue ball spinning off the object ball and hoping he lands good on the next shot. he want to control his destiny as much as possible and not rely on luck. This is how I read CJ :D
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Thank P. U. S. everyone has his own spices to the game, if that makes him happy great. I am sure he already resolved all weaknesses that this system have and dealt with it. At the end what ever a player used to and make him or her consistent is best system.
 
evis said:
Even if the ld shaft cuts down the deflection of the cue ball? Would I have to use more inside then?
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All cue shafts create different amounts of cue ball deflection, so yes even if the LD shaft cuts down the deflection.

One purpose of the TOI (touch of inside) is to eliminate the accidental outside spin that sometimes occur when trying to hit the cue ball in the center. I think the best benefit to TOI is the increased focus that one must use on each shot. You simply pay more attention to what you are doing when you apply TOI. More attention = More focus.
 
ok this makes sense because when I started making balls, I really had to focus on where I wanted to hit the cue ball and follow through. I was very conscious of where the tip of my cue was going. I'm curious if it will get easier.
 
Joey he uses a fractional "alignment" system but reversed kind of. He uses that on the cue ball and only use edges and center of the object ball. It gets him very close to the contact point at the standing position and then uses a touch of feel to get on the contact point while using his TOI.
 
JoeyA said:
All cue shafts create different amounts of cue ball deflection, so yes even if the LD shaft cuts down the deflection.

One purpose of the TOI (touch of inside) is to eliminate the accidental outside spin that sometimes occur when trying to hit the cue ball in the center. I think the best benefit to TOI is the increased focus that one must use on each shot. You simply pay more attention to what you are doing when you apply TOI. More attention = More focus.
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The increased focus turns into a routine placement of the tip on the cue ball after a period of time. I assume I will use inside on every shot as a baseline and change to center or outside if needed. A majority of shots and position can be made with a TOI. A month ago I would have disagreed, but I'm finding out new ways to use my stroke with speed control to get places I couldn't get to before.

Best,
Mike
 
naji said:
Thank P. U. S. everyone has his own spices to the game, if that makes him happy great. I am sure he already resolved all weaknesses that this system have and dealt with it. At the end what ever a player used to and make him or her consistent is best system.
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With systems, they seem complex at first. In the end when mastered, they are meant to take the stress/anxiety out of the shot/game. They organize you thought process by eliminating a lot of unwanted/unnecessary decisions.
 
Pay Up Sucker said:
With systems, they seem complex at first. In the end when mastered, they are meant to take the stress/anxiety out of the shot/game. They organize you thought process by eliminating a lot of unwanted/unnecessary decisions.
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Ok i will go with the flow, but you still have to adjust for swerve for soft shot or elevated cue, squirt (or extra squirt), rolling shot vs stun (throw), and SIT, degree of cut each one of these have different aim direction, with long shots the aim offset gets larger.
 
naji said:
Ok i will go with the flow, but you still have to adjust for swerve for soft shot or elevated cue, squirt (or extra squirt), rolling shot vs stun (throw), and SIT, degree of cut each one of these have different aim direction, with long shots the aim offset gets larger.
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Luckily the subconscious is there to lend a helping hand when needed :thumbup:
 
naji said:
Ok i will go with the flow, but you still have to adjust for swerve for soft shot or elevated cue, squirt (or extra squirt), rolling shot vs stun (throw), and SIT, degree of cut each one of these have different aim direction, with long shots the aim offset gets larger.
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what about CIT? what about new cloth, old cloth, high humdity? you can go on an on....
 
Mikjary said:
The increased focus turns into a routine placement of the tip on the cue ball after a period of time. I assume I will use inside on every shot as a baseline and change to center or outside if needed. A majority of shots and position can be made with a TOI. A month ago I would have disagreed, but I'm finding out new ways to use my stroke with speed control to get places I couldn't get to before.

Best,
Mike
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Mike/CJ,
Do you think that you get ANY cue ball deflection with a TOI?
 
Mikjary said:
The increased focus turns into a routine placement of the tip on the cue ball after a period of time. I assume I will use inside on every shot as a baseline and change to center or outside if needed. A majority of shots and position can be made with a TOI. A month ago I would have disagreed, but I'm finding out new ways to use my stroke with speed control to get places I couldn't get to before.

Best,
Mike
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For the focus part, I was referring to aiming the object ball to the closest point side of the pocket. You have to pay attention when you do that or you will become disenchanted pretty quick.
But the increase focus is great for anyone's game.
 
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