WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

[CJ Wiley]

Strive to "Feel" the object ball being cut in the pocket and then watch the ball

Here's the thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=290158

If you're already an advanced player and can hit the cue ball precisely try this: Aim any ball thicker than "half ball" with the center of the cue ball to the center of the object ball (ABOVE THE BALL), then come down slightly to the inside and accelerate through the cue ball and THROW it in.

Practice for 20 minutes just aiming at the center or edge (if the cut is thinner than "half ball") with just a Touch of Inside and "allow" the ball to cut to the center of the pocket (despite the fact that you're "straight in"). To do this you will need to "feel" the connection between the balls at a higher level.

Strive to "Feel" the object ball being cut in the pocket and then watch the ball actually go in. When you are doing this drill make sure to follow the object ball with your eyes after contact. This is critical to progress rapidly. This will raise your level of "feel" if you just concentrate on the object ball after the cue ball's contacted. I "real eyes" we can't actually "feel" the object ball being contacted, however, it's important to pretend ...... Even if you have to "fake it til you make it." You contact the cue ball directly, and then the object ball indirectly so it's important to feel that "contact" as well.

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I guess it's Nike time.

I guess it's Nike time....Just Do it!

 

[CJ Wiley]

A system is essential to make the game easier, where every shot has a similarity

I guess it's Nike time....Just Do it!

There's many ways to play the Game of Pocket Billiards and playing position is something that no two players will do exactly the same. It is commonly understood to try to play positon to give yourself the easiest shot on your next ball. The issue with this is having to calculate so many different "type" shots is tough for anyone to do consistently.

A system is essential to make the game easier, where every shot has a similarity, just a "touch," because if you're playing a player that makes you "come" with a great shot many times during the match. Sometimes it's better to "stay ready" for the tougher shots and to do this you may need to consider playing more consistent speed, spins and angles.

I recomment, for a practice drill you try to hit the same speed, spin and angle as much as possible. When you cue the ball slightly with the "Touch of Inside," speed will effect the shot. The firmer you hit the cue ball, the more the Object Ball will "cut." The slower you hit the cue ball the less it will "cut." This is something you have to practice and calibrate yourself, the time will be very worthwhile.

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[336Robin]

Yes, and when it comes down to it "accuracy is the key to playing great pool," and the game get's to be much more enjoyable if you KNOW you hit the cue ball staight every time.

Hitting the cue ball precisely and learining how to use "throw" to increase your pocket Zone is a powerful combination. I will post a video of my stroke as soon as my video producer is available for filming. I also need to do a 20 video on the Touch of Inside so I can make it VERY CLEAR for everyone that's interested.

You will want to change your patterns to accomidate the TOI, however, it will make the game much simpler. It will automatically cut down the choices and decisions so you see the the "right shot" quicker and you can commit to each one the same. "There's no hard shots or easy shots, they're all just shots." CJ Wiley

I sort of scanned over the TOI post and understand what youre saying. I do something similar with Outside so I guess its TOO....I hit my shots with TOO a lot of times just a fraction thick....I still get the spin so the ball moves in the direction I want it to.....the shot still goes in.....only the ball moves slower but with a quality I like....

Thanks for the reply..

Just another lovely day in paradise......

336Robin :thumbup:
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[bbb]

Please go back and read this thread.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=283974&page=33


There's many ways to explain this 'Touch of Inside' system and it comes down to what your philosophy is concerning the pool game.

If you believe that you can hit the cue ball in the center, cut the object ball where you "aim," and the pocket in the center you are being unrealistic....I'm not saying "you're wrong," I'm simply saying "that's what it looks like when the "Pros" play."

However, theres more, you're seeing the "result," but you can't see "the incentive." The incentive is to utilize all the factors involved to create the highest margin of error to produce the results you see, using a "System" to make the Game as simple as possible. The question is "how do you make a Game simple that has thousands of shots, as well as a multitude of spins, speeds, and deviations to calculate?"

The most important issue of the matter, from my perspective, ( documented to winning thousands of gambling matches and professional matches) is no human being can hit the cue ball, cut the object ball, and contact the center every time.

Therefore a system must be utilized to maximize margin of error (this exists because the pocket is bigger than the ball, if this wasn't true there would be NO margin of error).

The best "System" to do this would have three factors:

1) You would not be required to hit the cue ball straight every time to make all the shots that come up in a game.

2) You would be able to control your speed, spin and where you contact the cue ball more and more as you gain experience by doing it ONE way.

3) The System would have a "built in" trigger that would assure you "align your body to the shot", "hit the cue ball precisely/accurately" AND "accelerate". This is the best way to assure overall consistency.

If you don't hit the cue ball precisely and with a stroke that accelerates the cue you really can't expect to play that well. Certainly not at the level you may be striving for. Either way, to play a game or sport better it usually does take a mental change. The "mental change" in pool is the ability to see how to maximize "margin of error."

I'm suggesting that by giving shots the "Same Common Denominator," you will suddenly have the ability to shoot them the same. There will be exceptions where you still have to use different spins and speeds, however, the important thing is positioning your game so you can hit a "Touch of Inside" if possible.

So in your pre shot routine it changes from you asking "where do I need to play position on my next shot to get the right "angle." - to "where do I need to get position on my next shot{using a Touch of Inside 'TOI'}to create my favorite angle?

This calculation is done quickly and easily once you become familiar with the different type shots now available to you.

Unless you've used TOI before there's no way to know the style and type of shots that are possible. That's why I've always said you need to practice for 3 hours using TOI every timeto gain this essential experience. 'The Game is the Teacher'

thanks for your reply

 

[Mikjary]

I sort of scanned over the TOI post and understand what youre saying. I do something similar with Outside so I guess its TOO....I hit my shots with TOO a lot of times just a fraction thick....I still get the spin so the ball moves in the direction I want it to.....the shot still goes in.....only the ball moves slower but with a quality I like....

Thanks for the reply..

Just another lovely day in paradise......

336Robin :thumbup:
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I've been using a TOI and I've been aiming differently with my outside spin. I use outside usually to bring the cue ball back down table with center or draw. This is usually a firmer hit shot, or with a lot of side spin.

Since using a TOI, I find that I aim the outside spin shot thinner to hit the side of the pocket away from the spin. I find unless I have a fairly long shot, the swerve never comes into play and I will under cut the ball. The firm speed makes the cue ball squirt and unless the shot is hit soft enough, very little helping english will grab the object ball.

I fire outside spin shots into the pockets with the same idea as a TOI utilizing the 3 part pocket system. Although I use much less spin the last few weeks and a TOI on 70-80 % of my shots, outside spin has gotten easier to use to pocket balls.

I occasionally throw balls in with outside for pos, but not too often. The cue ball takes off too much and you can't gauge your spin stroke for every shot. I was an outside spin player for years, but found that even if I could control the cue ball with outside on almost every shot, those few times would cost me.

Best,
Mike

 

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An Artist's Brush, Manufactured by CJ Wiley.

Hi 336Robin, Mike & All,

I too have been using outside english for 46 yrs. I have been using the spin to throw the OB in so as to use the spin for position. I have been aiming for the full hit side of the pocket so as to hit the OB fuller & making the spin throw the OB farther into the pocket. It is similiar to the T.O.I. but the CB has that 'run away' spin on it. So I would generally hit softer in order to 'control' it with a lack of speed.

Depending on the angle I would want coming off of the rail I might hit the same shot with inside & aim for the over cut side of the pocket & make the spin & collision induced throw move the OB more into the center pocket.

It's all about getting position or... for the most part we would not be using spin at all. I have been using spin & speed on BOTH sides of the ball.
CJ's T.O.I. uses speed & deflection/squirt with very little to no spin to get position.

In CJ's method one is hitting the same or similiar shot over & over & over again without going back & forth between two(2) totally different types of shots. It would seem that one would have no choice but to become more consistant using CJ's method.

My problem, for now, has been with the speed of the shots as I am making sure to deflect the CB & trying to not let spin come into play. Before, I was doing the exact opposite. Even though I 'knew' that the deflection was there, that part of the equation was in my subconscious.

For now, they are all out in the open & I will need to lock my 'friend' of 46 yrs., 'spin', into the dark closet of my subconscious mind. I have a feeling that it will not be easy, but I am fairly sure it is for my own good.

If I can drop that occasional mis that I have been blaming on my bad eye out of the picture, I may start painting more masterpieces more often, just with an
Artist's Brush Manufactured by CJ Wiley.

Sorry for the rant. I guess I woke up in a contemplative & reflective mood.
Any assistance in the journey on which I am embarking will be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

[Mikjary]

Hi 336Robin, Mike & All,

I too have been using outside english for 46 yrs. I have been using the spin to throw the OB in so as to use the spin for position. I have been aiming for the full hit side of the pocket so as to hit the OB fuller & making the spin throw the OB farther into the pocket. It is similiar to the T.O.I. but the CB has that 'run away' spin on it. So I would generally hit softer in order to 'control' it with a lack of speed.

Depending on the angle I would want coming off of the rail I might hit the same shot with inside & aim for the over cut side of the pocket & make the spin & collision induced throw move the OB more into the center pocket.

It's all about getting position or... for the most part we would not be using spin at all. I have been using spin & speed on BOTH sides of the ball.
CJ's T.O.I. uses speed & deflection/squirt with very little to no spin to get position.

In CJ's method one is hitting the same or similiar shot over & over & over again without going back & forth between two(2) totally different types of shots. It would seem that one would have no choice but to become more consistant using CJ's method.

My problem, for now, has been with the speed of the shots as I am making sure to deflect the CB & trying to not let spin come into play. Before, I was doing the exact opposite. Even though I 'knew' that the deflection was there, that part of the equation was in my subconscious.

For now, they are all out in the open & I will need to lock my 'friend' of 46 yrs., 'spin', into the dark closet of my subconscious mind. I have a feeling that it will not be easy, but I am fairly sure it is for my own good.

If I can drop that occasional mis that I have been blaming on my bad eye out of the picture, I may start painting more masterpieces more often, just with an
Artist's Brush Manufactured by CJ Wiley.

Sorry for the rant. I guess I woke up in a contemplative & reflective mood.
Any assistance in the journey on which I am embarking will be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Well said, RJ! Nothing's a magic bullet that'll have you (everybody) running out in an hour. Once you get to an advanced level of play and sit there for a while, you start to look around and ask the hard questions. The obvious next step is to look at your mental approach for consistency.

You hear a lot of ideas from bangers to champs. You run into a few dead ends, pick up a few tools, and never really find that answer to your personal equation. You hear about secrets being kept locked away from the players by pros and then the opposite comments about just HAMB by the hard work guys. Then you realize you've hit over a million balls and you're still looking for better results.

CJ's simple logic about consistency is seminal in its application. If I've made every possible normal shot, easy or difficult, on the table, why can't I perform at this level every day? Would simplifying my routine improve my mechanics? These are questions I've asked myself for years. But how could I change my game without starting over?

I've changed the way I play mentally. I played terrible at first and had my doubts. I dogged easy outs and questioned my ability. But I'm seeing a steady move towards consistency at the end of each week. I still have good and bad days. I still miss shots. The thing that keeps me going is that I'm continuing to learn with my new mental approach and finding new ways and patterns to stick in my tool box.

This mental remodel will be a challenge. I won't be able to change everything I do, but I can take what I need and make it work for me. The important thing is that I'm trying to facilitate a change instead of waiting for it to click one day.

Sometimes you have to make a change to what your accepted beliefs are and go with your gut. It may sound too simple or too radical without trying it. You get frustrated and want to give it up. I decided to run with it and see what happens. So far, I like what I'm doing. And that's a lot more fun than spinning my wheels going nowhere!

Best,
Mike

 

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Mike,

Very good summary. We seem to be taking the same voyage even though we may be in slightly different boats.:wink:

Best Regards,

 

[Alf Taylor]

Thanks a lot CJ.

I tried your hammer method and mashed my thumb.
Keep it nice. Alfie

 

[CJ Wiley]

I recommend your "ouside english" needs to get down to 10% (1 out of 10 shots)

I've been using a TOI and I've been aiming differently with my outside spin. I use outside usually to bring the cue ball back down table with center or draw. This is usually a firmer hit shot, or with a lot of side spin.

Since using a TOI, I find that I aim the outside spin shot thinner to hit the side of the pocket away from the spin. I find unless I have a fairly long shot, the swerve never comes into play and I will under cut the ball. The firm speed makes the cue ball squirt and unless the shot is hit soft enough, very little helping english will grab the object ball.

I fire outside spin shots into the pockets with the same idea as a TOI utilizing the 3 part pocket system. Although I use much less spin the last few weeks and a TOI on 70-80 % of my shots, outside spin has gotten easier to use to pocket balls.

I occasionally throw balls in with outside for pos, but not too often. The cue ball takes off too much and you can't gauge your spin stroke for every shot. I was an outside spin player for years, but found that even if I could control the cue ball with outside on almost every shot, those few times would cost me.

Best,
Mike

It sounds like you're 70-80% percent of your maximum potential using the TOI. I know the outside shots work with the same principle, however to reach your full potential I would recommend mastering the "Inside Touch" first.

I have a feeling you need to work on your thin cuts using the TOI. Try setting up some REALLY thin cuts and approach them like this: While standing straight up line the center of the cue ball at the edge (left if cutting to the right, and right edge if cutting to the left) of the object ball, now when you get down on the cue ball line up a tip or two inside and aim right at the edge. Go straight through the cue ball and apply a little bit of inside english and cut the ball in with a moderate stroke. Try "slow rolling" a few of them as well.

Try this at several different speeds and go over 2 tips to the inside and do the same routine. This will start to show you another "arsenal" of shots that you may not have used before. They are the TOI shots that you will need to reach your "100%", so practice them in a few different "ways, shapes and forms."

Even when I do have to use outside (to change an angle off the rail, or a "slow spin" shot for position) I still line up with the TOI and THEN just move my tip to center to spin it. This automatically takes half the spin off the cue ball and when you try this you will "real eyes" "half {the amount of "outside"} is enough."

I recommend your "ouside english" needs to get down to 10% (1 out of 10 shots) before you will reach your maximum potential. For now I would recommend practicing the TOI 100% of the time (including off the rails) in practice, and experiment with different speeds and going to the inside a "touch" more.

 

[Mikjary]

It sounds like you're 70-80% percent of your maximum potential using the TOI. I know the outside shots work with the same principle, however to reach your full potential I would recommend mastering the "Inside Touch" first.

I have a feeling you need to work on your thin cuts using the TOI. Try setting up some REALLY thin cuts and approach them like this: While standing straight up line the center of the cue ball at the edge (left if cutting to the right, and right edge if cutting to the left) of the object ball, now when you get down on the cue ball line up a tip or two inside and aim right at the edge. Go straight through the cue ball and apply a little bit of inside english and cut the ball in with a moderate stroke. Try "slow rolling" a few of them as well.

Try this at several different speeds and go over 2 tips to the inside and do the same routine. This will start to show you another "arsenal" of shots that you may not have used before. They are the TOI shots that you will need to reach your "100%", so practice them in a few different "ways, shapes and forms."

Even when I do have to use outside (to change an angle off the rail, or a "slow spin" shot for position) I still line up with the TOI and THEN just move my tip to center to spin it. This automatically takes half the spin off the cue ball and when you try this you will "real eyes" "half {the amount of "outside"} is enough."

I recommend your "ouside english" needs to get down to 10% (1 out of 10 shots) before you will reach your maximum potential. For now I would recommend practicing the TOI 100% of the time (including off the rails) in practice, and experiment with different speeds and going to the inside a "touch" more.

Thanks for the tips :smile: on the thin cuts. I will try it out tonight. I'll also look at where I'm cueing for outside spin.

I understand the need to get more familiar with a TOI. I actually never use outside anymore except when I have to get somewhere off of a rail. Maybe once every second or third rack when I play 9 ball. The rest of the time I get position using the TOI or center when I have a straight in or slow roller. I'm glad you mentioned the 1 out of 10 because I thought I might be over doing it.

Sometimes I don't use any outside for 6 or 7 racks! But then I shark myself and start looking harder at getting position with outside.

Best,
Mike

 

[336Robin]

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Thanks for the tips :smile: on the thin cuts. I will try it out tonight. I'll also look at where I'm cueing for outside spin.

I understand the need to get more familiar with a TOI. I actually never use outside anymore except when I have to get somewhere off of a rail. Maybe once every second or third rack when I play 9 ball. The rest of the time I get position using the TOI or center when I have a straight in or slow roller. I'm glad you mentioned the 1 out of 10 because I thought I might be over doing it.

Sometimes I don't use any outside for 6 or 7 racks! But then I shark myself and start looking harder at getting position with outside. View attachment 249558

Best,
Mike

Well Im going to confess I dont use a lot of inside but I do understand now why I should. I get some pretty good momentum going about twice a week but I only play for extended periods twice a week...that damn work habit.....keeps me off the table....Im getting out but Im always for a little better cue ball control.....


Just another lovely day in paradise.......


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[Mikjary]

Well Im going to confess I dont use a lot of inside but I do understand now why I should. I get some pretty good momentum going about twice a week but I only play for extended periods twice a week...that damn work habit.....keeps me off the table....Im getting out but Im always for a little better cue ball control.....


Just another lovely day in paradise.......


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I never used inside unless I had to use it. Giving up my outside was like starting over with my approach to the game. I still think back to a few weeks ago and wonder why I never tried a TOI before. I used a touch of outside on most shots, but never gave the inside a try. It's funny how you look at something for years and not really see it for what it is.

Best,
Mike

 

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I never used inside unless I had to use it. Giving up my outside was like starting over with my approach to the game. I still think back to a few weeks ago and wonder why I never tried a TOI before. I used a touch of outside on most shots, but never gave the inside a try. It's funny how you look at something for years and not really see it for what it is. View attachment 249590

Best,
Mike

Hi Mike,

I've used both outside & inside for nearly 46 years. However, when I had my eye accident, the missed shots that started popping up where mostly of the outside variety. So... I started shooting more with inside & had to learn how to get position a different way. I did, but as you say giving up that outside is tough. So... I started going back to it more & more often til I was about at 50/50 & that's about where I have been for the last 23 years. Actually maybe a bit more on the inside end lately as I have been playing more on bar tables.

What is going to be difficult for me is giving up the spin in favor of deflection/squirt. I have used spin judiciously & with the appropriate speed to force & dictate my CB into position. Now, hopefully, I will be simply bouncing off of the OB & letting it drift or float into position.

As CJ has said often & you quote in your signature, it's simply playing a different game.

Best Regards,

 

[Mikjary]

Hi Mike,

I've used both outside & inside for nearly 46 years. However, when I had my eye accident, the missed shots that started popping up where mostly of the outside variety. So... I started shooting more with inside & had to learn how to get position a different way. I did, but as you say giving up that outside is tough. So... I started going back to it more & more often til I was about at 50/50 & that's about where I have been for the last 23 years. Actually maybe a bit more on the inside end lately as I have been playing more on bar tables.

What is going to be difficult for me is giving up the spin in favor of deflection/squirt. I have used spin judiciously & with the appropriate speed to force & dictate my CB into position. Now, hopefully, I will be simply bouncing off of the OB & letting it drift or float into position.

As CJ has said often & you quote in your signature, it's simply playing a different game.

Best Regards,

And until you actually commit to long hours to get it to work, you don't understand how it works. I played a guy last week and made a couple of shots that he asked about after we were through. I showed him and he made a comment that he liked to use outside instead of inside. Though he couldn't do the same shots, he wasn't willing to try the inside.

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

When I learned how to do this my Game became a weapon.

I never used inside unless I had to use it. Giving up my outside was like starting over with my approach to the game. I still think back to a few weeks ago and wonder why I never tried a TOI before. I used a touch of outside on most shots, but never gave the inside a try. It's funny how you look at something for years and not really see it for what it is. View attachment 249590

Best,
Mike

You thought I was kidding when I said "I play a different game than them.":groucho: This style Game is the "real deal," and the only 'catch' is you have to experience it for yourself or it will never make sense. It is the {TOI} intention, and commitment that allows 'the Game to be the Teacher.'

You will want to practice 3 hours{staight} using the TOI and STILL play shape on each ball taking {break, ball in hand} and running out playing 9 ball. There are going to be a LOT of shots you will discover that you didn't "Real Eyes" were even an option.

When I learned{Touch of Inside}my Cue became a weapon, no longer did I have to worry about winning, the best they could do was "break even." CJ Wiley 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[dorabelle]

I think Team Europe spys are keeping this thread going.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I could play well for an hour or so, but it just wasn't the same.

And until you actually commit to long hours to get it to work, you don't understand how it works. I played a guy last week and made a couple of shots that he asked about after we were through. I showed him and he made a comment that he liked to use outside instead of inside. Though he couldn't do the same shots, he wasn't willing to try the inside. View attachment 249609

Best,
Mike

We all have it "hard wired" to use outside english. I'm not sure how it happens or why mentally it makes so much sense to use outside to "help" the object ball go in. I've fallen in the same "trap," knowing better, I have no excuse. I could play well for an hour or so, but it just wasn't the same.

This is one of those things about life that seems "logical," however, spinning the cue ball is difficult to judge and calculate accurately over the course of an entire match (not to mention a whole evening).

When I came back and tried to play at a high level again I did the same thing. It's just in the past few weeks I've committed to JUST playing the Touch of Inside and my game's went back up to where it's fun again.
Playing poorly isn't much fun {to me}, I'd rather not play than struggle with inconsistency.

 

[naji]

We all have it "hard wired" to use outside english. I'm not sure how it happens or why mentally it makes so much sense to use outside to "help" the object ball go in. I've fallen in the same "trap," knowing better, I have no excuse. I could play well for an hour or so, but it just wasn't the same.

This is one of those things about life that seems "logical," however, spinning the cue ball is difficult to judge and calculate accurately over the course of an entire match (not to mention a whole evening).

When I came back and tried to play at a high level again I did the same thing. It's just in the past few weeks I've committed to JUST playing the Touch of Inside and my game's went back up to where it's fun again.
Playing poorly isn't much fun {to me}, I'd rather not play than struggle with inconsistency.

I do not know what aiming system you use, my system, i aim with CB/OB i focus on CB, OB and where i am aiming until the sweet spot is developed on OB. Where i aim is usually determined before i go down according to shot speed, slide, role, english, swerve, squirt, with my small tip my max aim offset from pocket is usually less than a ball width, when i shoot with 13 mm or larger tip my aim offset increases to two balls width which makes it hard to judge..