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kvinbrwr

kvinbrwr

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I bought a couple of Palmer cues from Chris Tate and he's a great guy to deal with, totally knowledgeable, fair and really a nice guy. The cues he sold me are beautiful and now I want more. Short of holding The Palmer Collector upside down and shaking him until one of these cues falls out, I can't get him to let loose of a 2nd catalog G, I, or K. Anybody have one of these cues or know of someone who has one that might like to sell?

Please send me a PM or eMail me:

kvinbrwr@earthlink.net

Thanks

Kevin
 
Hi-Kevin, I still have that "peter margo" palmer $650.00 + shipping it's returnable if you don't like it! comes with 2- 30-1/2 shafts ;) let me know:)

Steven
 
What I Really Want

justabrake said:
Hi-Kevin, I still have that "peter margo" palmer $650.00 + shipping it's returnable if you don't like it! comes with 2- 30-1/2 shafts ;) let me know:)

Steven
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Steven

Thanks a ton. I'm really looking to buy a 2nd catalog G,I or K right now.

Thanks again

Kevin
 
I don't want take 3 years

dave sutton said:
i been looking for same 3 for years. sean has a K. i found a I on ebay crooked as can be. no luck for years
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I think Sean should sell me his K don't you?

Kevin
 
Life sure is a funny thing.
Back in the late 70's a Palmer or Adams cue was like the Lucase's today.
A decent cue but not considered to be anything more than production quality.
What made them worth so much now?
Just the fact they are not made any more?
 
WilleeCue said:
Life sure is a funny thing.
Back in the late 70's a Palmer or Adams cue was like the Lucase's today.
A decent cue but not considered to be anything more than production quality.
What made them worth so much now?
Just the fact they are not made any more?
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Last time I checked, neither Lucasi or Adam had...

- Burton Spain blanks

- Titlist blanks

- Gus Szamboti blanks

- introduced numerous innovations such as pearlized butts and rings and wavy veneers such as on the model M, first to design, order and distribute colored irish linen, first to use a "v" splice in the handle ala Burton Spain.

- every inlay hand laid out and cut

- Not one, but two ACA Hall of Fame cuemakers, Eugene and Ilona Balner

- First to produce a custom line catalog, complete with individual options for wrap, weight, ferrule type, shafts, etc.

- First to produce their own genuine pearl shapes in thicknesses appropriate for cue making.

- First to use foils for the name customization of cues.

- Supplied parts to many cue makers including Gus szamboti and George Balabushka.

Yes, they produced an affordable custom cue. The first three main catalog Palmer's are not production cues. They were a "line" of custom cues made to each individual order. It wasn't until the PB and PM cues came in that Palmers were production cues.

While you may think Palmers are overpriced, in the last 10 years or so, Palmers have had one of the greatest $$$ value appreciation according to my research.



Chris
 
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TATE said:
Last time I checked, neither Lucasi or Adam had...

- Burton Spain blanks

- Titlist blanks

- Gus Szamboti blanks

- introduced numerous innovations such as pearlized butts and rings and wavy veneers such as on the model M, first to design, order and distribute colored irish linen, first to use a "v" splice in the handle ala Burton Spain.

- every inlay hand laid out and cut

- Not one, but two ACA Hall of Fame cuemakers, Eugene and Ilona Balner

- First to produce a custom line catalog, complete with individual options for wrap, weight, ferrule type, shafts, etc.

- First to produce their own genuine pearl shapes in thicknesses appropriate for cue making.

- First to use foils for the name customization of cues.

- Supplied parts to many cue makers including Gus szamboti and George Balabushka.

Yes, they produced an affordable custom cue. The first three main catalog Palmer's are not production cues. They were a "line" of custom cues made to each individual order. It wasn't until the PB and PM cues came in that Palmers were production cues.

While you may think Palmers are overpriced, in the last 10 years or so, Palmers have had one of the greatest $$$ value appreciation according to my research.



Chris
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daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.... he told you... jk

i personally have had almost every palmer out of the first 3 catalogs. maybe missing 10. some i passed in bc i wasnt interested in ala model 1 :0P
 
Your Opinion

TATE said:
Last time I checked, neither Lucasi or Adam had...

- Burton Spain blanks

- Titlist blanks

- Gus Szamboti blanks

- introduced numerous innovations such as pearlized butts and rings and wavy veneers such as on the model M, first to design, order and distribute colored irish linen, first to use a "v" splice in the handle ala Burton Spain.

- every inlay hand laid out and cut

- Not one, but two ACA Hall of Fame cuemakers, Eugene and Ilona Balner

- First to produce a custom line catalog, complete with individual options for wrap, weight, ferrule type, shafts, etc.

- First to produce their own genuine pearl shapes in thicknesses appropriate for cue making.

- First to use foils for the name customization of cues.

- Supplied parts to many cue makers including Gus szamboti and George Balabushka.

Yes, they produced an affordable custom cue. The first three main catalog Palmer's are not production cues. They were a "line" of custom cues made to each individual order. It wasn't until the PB and PM cues came in that Palmers were production cues.

While you may think Palmers are overpriced, in the last 10 years or so, Palmers have had one of the greatest $$$ value appreciation according to my research.



Chris
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Chris

Your opinion seems to be based on fact, research and knowledge, that's certainly one way to approach a subject.:p I wish I could agree with all you said, perhaps I would find it easier if I was sitting with a Catalog II G, I or K in my hand so I could evaluate you opinion better. How about you sell me one just for a little while, say, 10 or 15 years, and then after that, I'll sell it back to you at whatever the fair market is at that time?

Thank you for your kind consideration, now please go into that vault, or cave, or whatever, and free me up my new cue!

Kevin
 
Tate, are you sure?

TATE said:
Last time I checked, neither Lucasi or Adam had...

- Burton Spain blanks

- Titlist blanks

- Gus Szamboti blanks

- introduced numerous innovations such as pearlized butts and rings and wavy veneers such as on the model M, first to design, order and distribute colored irish linen, first to use a "v" splice in the handle ala Burton Spain.

- every inlay hand laid out and cut

- Not one, but two ACA Hall of Fame cuemakers, Eugene and Ilona Balner

- First to produce a custom line catalog, complete with individual options for wrap, weight, ferrule type, shafts, etc.

- First to produce their own genuine pearl shapes in thicknesses appropriate for cue making.

- First to use foils for the name customization of cues.

- Supplied parts to many cue makers including Gus szamboti and George Balabushka.

Yes, they produced an affordable custom cue. The first three main catalog Palmer's are not production cues. They were a "line" of custom cues made to each individual order. It wasn't until the PB and PM cues came in that Palmers were production cues.

While you may think Palmers are overpriced, in the last 10 years or so, Palmers have had one of the greatest $$$ value appreciation according to my research.



Chris
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I think frank paradise was the first to use foil for name personalization/customization?
Viking had clear winows a year or two before before palmer was founded, but used binders cloth rather than foil. But for the same purpose.

Palmers are not over priced in most sales

Most of you'r ponts are NOW good qualitys,.. But..
adams made thier own stuff exclusivly! a good point Then!

Supplied parts to many cue makers including Gus szamboti and George Balabushka.
Yup, and later had adams make their cues for them.

Not one, but two ACA Hall of Fame cuemakers, Eugene and Ilona Balner
Not fair! Richard has the same qualification, But didnt have a wife involved.

- every inlay hand laid out and cut
I think sampio was doing that long before palmer existed.
 
Of course, I'm just havin fun here :D sticking up for my Adams, but Eugene nor gus nor spain never did this!
 
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Gene Balner was an artist before his time. I have a model M, 2nd catalog.
NOT "restored". Both shafts are beautiful, as is the Butt & shaft. I will say that cues made today shoot better. The problem is? Todays cue makers need to die before their cues will be recognized as the art objects they are.
 
pwd72s said:
Gene Balner was an artist before his time. I have a model M, 2nd catalog.
NOT "restored". Both shafts are beautiful, as is the Butt & shaft. I will say that cues made today shoot better. The problem is? Todays cue makers need to die before their cues will be recognized as the art objects they are.
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Yea, The "M " cue is sure cool! I am going to have a "K" someday for sure. However, Frank made cues with that same flavor first. not the waivey veneers, But the general palmer look came from frank. IE: the Diamond King. (My favorite cue on earth)

"The problem is? Todays cue makers need to die before their cues will be recognized as the art objects they are"

That and pre-1980, there were not 20 cue makers in every city on the globe. that make a real difference these days as well. Plus todays AAA+ woods were yesterdays #2 in many cases.
 
jayman said:
I think frank paradise was the first to use foil for name personalization/customization?
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- Paradise used a black paper label from a trophy company in New Jersey with a hot stamp imprint. Palmer did too in 1963, but changed to the foil in 1964. As far as I know, Paradise never used foil, just the black paper. I saw one once but it was a fake replacement made from a cigarette wrapper.

jayman said:
Viking had clear winows a year or two before before palmer was founded, but used binders cloth rather than foil. But for the same purpose.
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???? Viking Cues was founded in 1965 (see Blue Book) and Palmer was making window cues in 1963. Paradise was the first to use windows in 1958 (Billiard Encyclopedia Page 307) . Palmer's Model 6 and Model 11 from 1964 were the first to use a large window with decorative foil for the personalization, and it was so popular, even Balabushka was forced to copy it (see Billiards Encyclopedia Page 315, last paragraph)
Paradise, Rich, and Palmer all used windows before Viking did.




jayman said:
But..
adams made thier own stuff exclusivly! a good point Then!
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I was trying to differentiate betrween the first 3 catalog Palmer line custom cues and the later production cues. Palmer made a lot of their own full spliced veneered forearms, and many are very high quality, but bought mostly Titlist or ebony veneered forearms from Spain and Szamboti because they couldn't keep up with demand. They also bought about 100 WICO blanks, but these came from Bob Meucci directly, when he opened BMC cues. Their blanks were nearly the same quality as the early Spain blanks I've seen (the later Spain blanks are better than his early stuff). Since they could not make blanks as efficiently as Spain, Szamboti, or Adam Japan, I think they were intelligent in using the outside stuff when they could get it, which Balabushka did his entire career. Remember, Palmer's goal was to build custom ordered cues to your specs fast delivering in 3 to 4 weeks instead of many months. It wasn't because they couldn't build their own stuff. Blank making is messy business and in a high production shop like Palmer, you have a shop full of workers breathing a lot of sawdust when that much wood is being chopped and only x amount of space to do it.

The original poster was probably referring to the Adam cues of today, not the 1970's, as he compared them to Lucasi.

I agree that Adam Japan cues from the 1970's were a high quality production cue. So did Palmer when they had Adam build the PB and PM lines. In fact, as far as playing cues go, the Adam cues are superior to all of the cues from the 1960's, and most of the 70's cues too. You know I've shown a lot of respect for their stuff.

Chris
 
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Art - CNC?

pwd72s said:
Gene Balner was an artist before his time. I have a model M, 2nd catalog.
NOT "restored". Both shafts are beautiful, as is the Butt & shaft. I will say that cues made today shoot better. The problem is? Todays cue makers need to die before their cues will be recognized as the art objects they are.
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When any artist dies, their editions, no matter who small or large they may be, immediately become "limited". It might be that nobody knows how many works a particular artists did, but after death, there is the security for collectors that the artists won't be making any more. The test of time is exactly that and as collectors, we can only guess which items will withstand that teat and which won't. I just wonder how many cues that were made with CNC technology with withstand that test and be considered art in 25 years. There's lots of talk in the threads about how cues sales of "mid-line" cues have fallen off and in every thread I read the cues that seem to retain demand seem to be those that are hand made. Maybe that's just because the CNC cue makers are still alive, or maybe its because the respect for art has to do also with the artfulness of the craftsmanship.

Speaking of craftsmanship, I would like to buy a hand-made, pre-CNC Palmer Catalog II G,I or K cue.:D

Kevin
 
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