He was told he was on two (at the incorrect time, but yes he was), he knew he was on two, he just hid behind a technicality because his opponent did not understand exactly what was wrong. This does in fact make him a douche. Did he follow the rules exactly as they are written? Sure. But this is a circumstance here where a rule is being used to facilitate unsportsmanlike conduct.
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So there was someone there that spoke douchinesse?
One thing is for sure, this thread makes it very easy to see who hasn't ever held a job that requires one to follow the rules to the letter. Some on here wouldn't last 5 minutes in a job like that.
Most jobs wouldn't last 5 minutes with a person who follows the rules to the letter.
That comment of mine that you quoted was in response to Bob Dixon who wrote that he (Bob) sometimes intentionally chooses not to inform his opponent he is on two fouls.
Hadn't there been the discussion between these two players about the rule, that is, had Harriman had his mouth shut when first warned about being on two fouls, and then not admitted a loss by three fouls, as he was not properly informed... that would've been fine in my books.
No one could have argued that he was told about being on two fouls, as he wasn't, at the right time.
However since they talked about it, it is obvious that he knew very well that he was on two, and then proceeded to take advantage of a technicality. Playing by the rules that may be, but it is also true douchery.
Not that there is so much wrong in being a douchebag. Many of my dearest friends are complete asshats every now and then.
No one could have argued that he was told about being on two fouls, as he wasn't, at the right time.
However since they talked about it, it is obvious that he knew very well that he was on two, and then proceeded to take advantage of a technicality. Playing by the rules that may be, but it is also true douchery.
Not that there is so much wrong in being a douchebag. Many of my dearest friends are complete asshats every now and then.
Guys, you can't just pick and choose which rule you want to follow and which one you don't want to follow.
If there is a problem with a rule, then lobby for an official change in the rule. If you think you can change a rule in the middle of a competition, you're wrong.
If there is a problem with a rule, then lobby for an official change in the rule. If you think you can change a rule in the middle of a competition, you're wrong.
I think I made it pretty clear how it's inconsistent with the intent of the rule to choose not to tell a player that he's on two when I explained that a referee is obligated to do it. I'm not sure why you don't understand the logic.
You're quoting Fran's post where she is speaking about Bob Dixon's actions in his post.
You however are speaking about Danny's actions in his match and that is not what Fran
was speaking of in the quote part of your post. Just thought you might want to know. EDIT: Please try to stay on the same page as the rest of the class.
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Was he within the rules? Yes Is he a douche YES LOL
Was he within the rules? Yes Is he a douche YES LOL Sad but true.
Was he within the rules? Yes Is he a douche YES LOL Sad but true.
Sorry, the comment did not have a referring quote with it so it seemed like a general comment on what Danny did.
holy shit, would all of you guys that are saying "Danny followed the rules", "It's the rule, people must follow it", etc. etc..please kindly shut the f@##$ up and read what the other side is writing?
Nobody is saying that Danny didn't follow the rule or that he was wrong in the letter of the rule book by calling the guy on not telling him at the proper time. What we are all saying is that it was a Dick move, pure and simple. It's a move that I'd like to think that the majority of the good sportmen in the pool world would not make. It's an angle shooting, douche bag move. If Corey or Efren or anyone else felt the need to make this type of move against someone then I'd call them douches as well.
Nobody is saying that Danny didn't follow the rule or that he was wrong in the letter of the rule book by calling the guy on not telling him at the proper time. What we are all saying is that it was a Dick move, pure and simple. It's a move that I'd like to think that the majority of the good sportmen in the pool world would not make. It's an angle shooting, douche bag move. If Corey or Efren or anyone else felt the need to make this type of move against someone then I'd call them douches as well.
So where is the line drawn in ethical behavior when someone breaks a "rule" but will not admit it simply because he was not caught in the act? Are some rules better than other rules? What about the rule that absolutely everything is legal unless your opponent witnessed it? Some people play by this rule too. That doesn't make them a douche to not fess up to a foul simply because their opponent or ref didn't see it? If someone is the type that waits to see if their opponenet saw the foul and won't tell them about it if they didn't, then that's the type of player I will never have a game with. Period
There are some people (pros too) that when committing a violation will immediately fess up to it, regardless of what "rule" in the book that says you don't have to. To do otherwise is changing the outcome of the game and outside the realm of good sportsmanship. Some people just have a consience and do not want to live with knowingly commiting a foul and trying to get away with it.
If I commit a foul, bad hit, no rail, accidental touch, three foul, I am the first to grab the cueball and admit to the foul whether the opponent knows about it or not. When it's my turn it's me against the cueball. If I do something stupid I don't try to get away with it, it's my opponents turn and it's my bad and I happily live with it because it was my fault. This "earning a roof over their head" bs is no excuse. If you need to deceive and cheat to get through a tournament, then you are gonna just have to accept what people think of that behavior.
Point is that guy comitted a 3 foul. He knew it, but he didn't give a rat's ass because he happily blamed his opponent for a minor technicallity. I say minor because his opponent did warn him, just at the incorrect moment. His opponent played well enough to 3 foul him and yet goes unrewarded because of it. A bunch of bs in my opinion and had I even witnessed that I would have boo'd that guy for such poor sportsmanship. Take your medicine and move on.
If you want to get into this deeper this guy went to the table knowing full well that he was on two. He was actually waiting for his opponent to re-warn him about being on two, and when he didn't all he thought was KACHING free shot, no need to worry about a three foul anymore! When he failed to make the hit he make a stink about it. F$*k him, yes he's a douchbag.
Christ rules are rules are rules. What a bunch of bs. Imagine the douchbaggery that would have been going around if the us team called a foul on the winning shot of the mosconi cup where you can see in the video that the player puts his cuestick down and touched the cueball before it completely came to rest.
I guess some people here would have happily and readily jumped up to call that foul. It's all about the following rules to the letter right?
I guess some people here would have happily and readily jumped up to call that foul. It's all about the following rules to the letter right?
Let's try this another way.
1) Please list all rules that should be followed.
2) Please list all rules that should be ignored.
3) Please list all playing rules you will be
called a douche for following.
4) If a ball is blocking my shot and I just walk over
and move it out of the way, and you call a foul.
Should you be called a douche for following the
rules? (Just trying to clarify)
5) If a rule is deemed one that should be ignored
does that depend on who you are playing at the
moment. (Should the validity of rules change
depending on your opponents prospective?)
6) Maybe we could just let the fans make a ruling
anytime there's a dispute. (and just hope their not
betting against you, while you wait for their ruling.)
Or better yet maybe there shouldn't be any set rules at all.
You and your opponent just discuss how you want to play
before your match starts.
Then if either of you doesn't like something your opponent
does you just lay them out. How many think this is a good
solution? (I know of at least one)
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1) Please list all rules that should be followed.
2) Please list all rules that should be ignored.
3) Please list all playing rules you will be
called a douche for following.
4) If a ball is blocking my shot and I just walk over
and move it out of the way, and you call a foul.
Should you be called a douche for following the
rules? (Just trying to clarify)
5) If a rule is deemed one that should be ignored
does that depend on who you are playing at the
moment. (Should the validity of rules change
depending on your opponents prospective?)
6) Maybe we could just let the fans make a ruling
anytime there's a dispute. (and just hope their not
betting against you, while you wait for their ruling.)
Or better yet maybe there shouldn't be any set rules at all.
You and your opponent just discuss how you want to play
before your match starts.
Then if either of you doesn't like something your opponent
does you just lay them out. How many think this is a good
solution? (I know of at least one)
Repost
This is a great post to clarify things (I hope). Letter of the rule states that the final Mosconi shot was a foul. Spirit of the rule says a scratch wasn't going to happen so it's all good. Anybody disagree in that scenario? Would you have called that foul?
The answer is easy. Any rule you are following in an attempt to make a situation that should not go your way, go your way, then you are using it in a very douchy manner. Let's say your playing a friendly game with someone you know. You have an easy shot on the nine, and the cueball is rolling slowly towards you but very obviously not anywhere near a pocket that would lead to a scratch. Juuuust before it comes to a complete rest you pick up the ball or otherwise move it or start grabbing balls out of the pockets and placing them on the table. Your friend calls a foul, says you must place the nine on the spot and he has ball in hand. He's not being a douche in any way what-so-ever right? You would still continute to have fun playing with him right?
In this case Danny 3-fouled. He knows he did, his opponent knows he did. He was even reminded of this although a little too early of it. So what does Danny do? Use a rule against its intended purpose to get the ruling he wanted. That rule is there to protect people from legitimately not knowing or realising they on two fouls. He used it to get out of being on two fouls. Thus the d-baggery
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There is a part of me that would have liked to see that foul called just for the comedy value of it, and to see the reactions of all involved
We here loud and clear what you are saying. It goes like this- Yes, I know what the rules are, but I don't like them so I am going to make up my own rules that supercede the actual rules. And, if you don't follow my rules, then you are a douche.
In other words, you aren't against rules, as long as they are the ones you like or make up as you go along. Anyone that actually bothers to follow the written rules is a douche.
In case you hadn't noticed, Danny informed his opponent of the actual rules so that he could apply them. That totally eliminates him from any kind of "douchery". If he hadn't told his opponent the rules, then just applied them, then it could be debated as being a douche move. There is no debate the way Danny did it, No douche move at all. He gave his opponent every opportunity and went above and beyond to make sure the rules were followed.
The fact that some of you want to argue that says a lot about character. Guess it doesn't mean as much to some of you as you like to think it does. Finding fault in someone else for doing the right thing because in his situation you wouldn't do the right thing. Instead, you would make up your own set of rules and expect everyone to follow those. I'd say your outlook on things is rather tilted.
I wonder how many of you chiding Danny would act in this situation- your opponet is late. He is given 10 minutes to show up or forfeit. He shows up in 14 minutes. Do you play him, or take the forfeit after 10 minutes? Would you go up to the director and say, "forget the forfeit, he finally showed up"?