WTS: Brand New J.Flower Case Spiderman

poolchady

poolchady

Zen Custom Cues
Silver Member
This is a brand new J.Flower leather case. Spiderman!

I personally ordered it last October.

It fits 2 butts and 4 shafts.

$old shipped.

Paypal only.

Any question send to poolchady@gmail.com
Thanks

Chady
 
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Spidey

FYI.. the character on the large front pocket isn't Spiderman, it's Scarlett Spider. :wink:
 
The J.Flowers Tribute Brand is owned in China by the Jiasen Case Company. It is owned in the rest of the world by Sterling Gaming. I created this brand in 2008 to pay tribute to the western saddle and belt stamping designs done by Nora Van Horn for Jay Flowers in the 80s and 90s.

This case for sale in this thread was NOT authorized to be made by myself or Sterling Gaming and has NOTHING to do with us. It was created by Jiasen wholly without our knowledge. The overall design was taken from a case done originally by Rex Goulet, Moaali Leathers. As Rex rightly points out the people who made the case probably have zero idea of the names and history of the characters portrayed on the case. They simply saw pictures of Rex's case and decided to build their own version of it. The owner of Jiasen said he had no idea that his staff was copying an actual case and said he would not make any more when I confronted him about it.

Joe Van Buren has been insinuating that I was involved in the making of this case. I had nothing to do with this case being made and was completely unaware of it's existence until I received catalog images from Jiasen showing it. The same day that I received those images I called Jiasen to complain and made Rex aware of it's existence.

This has all been explained in the Gallery section of the forum.

So, this is design is a knockoff of Rex's original Spiderman themed case. It IS NOT a direct copy. It should never have been made out of professional courtesy to Rex and I have explained this to Jiasen and have assurances that no more will be made. It was and remains an honest mistake that will not be repeated.

As to the case itself the construction and build is top notch using techniques and methods I taught Jiasen as well as many that they invented based on the principles of construction that I taught them. Lastly it's worth noting that Jiasen introduced the carved and painted cases in 2008. http://jbcases.com/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=2602

$950 is a low price for this case in my opinion. It is a shadow of the original Moaali case in the design, tooling and coloring, but is still a nice case.
 
This case and the original Jiansen case are different.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=287253&highlight=spiderman+case

It was an honest mistake and will not be repeated? OK After they make how many? Stop the nonsense, they are just like you, they will do anything for money.

Obviously your talk was taken to heart o' vaulted ruler of the far east case makers guild. Maybe they learned more from you than you lead on, or want to believe, or want to tell us you taught them.. lol apples don't fall far from the tree even in China.

There you go bringing my name up again.. stop the stalking. See I was content commenting with Rex, then you have to go and start yet AGAIN. Will you ever stop starting this stuff? Mr. Wilson I am being harassed and stalked, I purposely did not go to the copying issue to avoid this and John started yet AGAIN.

JV


JB Cases said:
The J.Flowers Tribute Brand is owned in China by the Jiasen Case Company. It is owned in the rest of the world by Sterling Gaming. I created this brand in 2008 to pay tribute to the western saddle and belt stamping designs done by Nora Van Horn for Jay Flowers in the 80s and 90s.

This case for sale in this thread was NOT authorized to be made by myself or Sterling Gaming and has NOTHING to do with us. It was created by Jiasen wholly without our knowledge. The overall design was taken from a case done originally by Rex Goulet, Moaali Leathers. As Rex rightly points out the people who made the case probably have zero idea of the names and history of the characters portrayed on the case. They simply saw pictures of Rex's case and decided to build their own version of it. The owner of Jiasen said he had no idea that his staff was copying an actual case and said he would not make any more when I confronted him about it.

Joe Van Buren has been insinuating that I was involved in the making of this case. I had nothing to do with this case being made and was completely unaware of it's existence until I received catalog images from Jiasen showing it. The same day that I received those images I called Jiasen to complain and made Rex aware of it's existence.

This has all been explained in the Gallery section of the forum.

So, this is design is a knockoff of Rex's original Spiderman themed case. It IS NOT a direct copy. It should never have been made out of professional courtesy to Rex and I have explained this to Jiasen and have assurances that no more will be made. It was and remains an honest mistake that will not be repeated.
As to the case itself the construction and build is top notch using techniques and methods I taught Jiasen as well as many that they invented based on the principles of construction that I taught them. Lastly it's worth noting that Jiasen introduced the carved and painted cases in 2008. http://jbcases.com/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=2602

$950 is a low price for this case in my opinion. It is a shadow of the original Moaali case in the design, tooling and coloring, but is still a nice case.
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classiccues said:
This case and the original Jiansen case are different.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=287253&highlight=spiderman+case

It was an honest mistake and will not be repeated? OK After they make how many? Stop the nonsense, they are just like you, they will do anything for money.

Obviously your talk was taken to heart o' vaulted ruler of the far east case makers guild. Maybe they learned more from you than you lead on, or want to believe, or want to tell us you taught them.. lol apples don't fall far from the tree even in China.

There you go bringing my name up again.. stop the stalking. See I was content commenting with Rex, then you have to go and start yet AGAIN. Will you ever stop starting this stuff? Mr. Wilson I am being harassed and stalked, I purposely did not go to the copying issue to avoid this and John started yet AGAIN.

JV
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It must be frustrating to go through life ignorant of the facts but willing to fantasize and post those fantasies only to be shot down continuously.

As far as I know there were about ten of these produced and since I confronted Jiasen in September 2012 about it no more were made. The only difference is the coloring between the one Chady is offering here and the one pictured in the catalog. The tooling is all the same.

Once again you insinuate that I had something to do with these cases being made. I went to Jiasen in 2007/2008 and taught them what I know of making cases and what my principles are when making cases. Namely that the cases should be protective and solidly built. They should be ergonomic and easy to use. On design I taught "them", meaning the people who were there at the time, to be original. I encouraged Mr. Wang to hire some designers and come up with original designs. Which they did.

However when these Moaali-inspired cases were done it was with a completely different crew than I had dealt with in 2008. Had I been there in 2012 and seen these in the drawing stage I certainly would have put a stop to it.

I stated the facts about the cases and your insinuations. Feel free to report the post if anything I said about you is not true. I won't bother to report the lies you told about me, (ex. "will do anything for money" ).
 
Talking about fantasy, the tooling under the cap of the webbing is different. The tooling is not all the same.. so who is fantasizing again?

Yeah John, the guy who makes a living copying would say something to stop someone else from copying another. ROTFLOL

You know, A-Rod just called me to tell me to stop taking HGH...


We can start a whole new thread...

John Barton telling Jiasen not to make case copies is like.....

Tiny Tim telling someone to put down twinkies....

Ted Bundy telling Jeffrey Dahmer... Murder is bad....

an Arab terrorist saying... "please do not waste the dynamite..."

Earl Strickland giving advice on sportsmanship....

OH man what a great thread this is going to make... :)

JV

JB Cases said:
It must be frustrating to go through life ignorant of the facts but willing to fantasize and post those fantasies only to be shot down continuously.

As far as I know there were about ten of these produced and since I confronted Jiasen in September 2012 about it no more were made. The only difference is the coloring between the one Chady is offering here and the one pictured in the catalog. The tooling is all the same.

Once again you insinuate that I had something to do with these cases being made. I went to Jiasen in 2007/2008 and taught them what I know of making cases and what my principles are when making cases. Namely that the cases should be protective and solidly built. They should be ergonomic and easy to use. On design I taught "them", meaning the people who were there at the time, to be original. I encouraged Mr. Wang to hire some designers and come up with original designs. Which they did.

However when these Moaali-inspired cases were done it was with a completely different crew than I had dealt with in 2008. Had I been there in 2012 and seen these in the drawing stage I certainly would have put a stop to it.

I stated the facts about the cases and your insinuations. Feel free to report the post if anything I said about you is not true. I won't bother to report the lies you told about me, (ex. "will do anything for money" ).
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classiccues said:
Talking about fantasy, the tooling under the cap of the webbing is different. The tooling is not all the same.. so who is fantasizing again?

Yeah John, the guy who makes a living copying would say something to stop someone else from copying another. ROTFLOL

You know, A-Rod just called me to tell me to stop taking HGH...


We can start a whole new thread...

John Barton telling Jiasen not to make case copies is like.....

Tiny Tim telling someone to put down twinkies....

Ted Bundy telling Jeffrey Dahmer... Murder is bad....

an Arab terrorist saying... "please do not waste the dynamite..."

Earl Strickland giving advice on sportsmanship....

OH man what a great thread this is going to make... :)

JV
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I don't have any control over what Jiasen does. I don't now, nor have I ever had any financial interest in their company. I can only give my advice and express my frustration. The tooling between the top pocket and the lid is slightly different. So what? That does not tell you when the case was made.

This case that Chady is selling was done BEFORE I notified Rex of the catalog page. As far as I am aware there have not been any new ones made. And even if there were it's perfectly legal, aside from whatever copyright issues over the characters that might exist, to make this case.

To reiterate as well this case is not a copy. It is a NEW design which takes some of Rex's images and arranges them differently into a NEW case. Not any different than you taking designs from other cue makers and rearranging them into new cues. Something that you admit to freely and even take pride in. (ex. http://www.classiccues.com/cues_klein_steve.html - Palmer Tribute by James white http://www.classiccues.com/cues_jwhite.html)

As for what I make a living at.....well, our portfolio of original cases certainly contradicts your continued accusation that we live off copies. Again though this is about the Jiasen Moalli tribute. Given that you are a prolific buyer/seller of "tribute" cues I fail to understand what exactly your problem is with this case.
Here is a thread where you proudly show off your "tributes" to the master cue makers and ask for others to show theirs, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=242216 . I guess for you it is only ok if you do it and if cue makers in America do it. If Asians make tributes, knockoffs, copies, or mashups then it's deplorable but if you do it then it's fine?

As a case it's a good case, well built, lots of tooling, interesting theme, and priced low for all the work in it. Yes the design was inspired by the Moaali, yes the images of the characters were taken directly from Rex's case. That is a travesty in my eyes and something that has been addressed. But regardless the case exists and you can't unring the bell. So how about saving the hypocritical outrage and let Chady sell his case to someone who likes Spiderman without the guilt trip?
 
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Well. Here is the story. I was at Shanghai Billiard Expo last September and saw this case in Jiasen's booth. The original case is different. The spidey is all in black. At the time I was in the talk to purchase a fancy Thomas Wayne which has the spider web in design and I was thinking this case might be a perfect match with the cue. I called Jiasen to make a customized order and ask them to paint the spidey in red. This one should be an one of a kind. Unfortunately the Thomas Wayne owner stabbed my in the back and ****ed up the deal. There is no reason for me to keep this case now that's why I sell. Regarding the spiderman design, I don't think any one has the right to argue about it unless you guys already contact with Marvel and get them authorized. Everyone is copying from Marvel. Actually I was thinking about ordering a series of SUPER HERO leather cases and I talked to John about this a couple of months ago.
 
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