WWYD - 9 Ball ghost
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Thank you for the erection!
Where do you play?
I can't play anymore do to health reasons, but I sure wish you had posted this a year ago, you would have action! :thumbup:
The combo is super off angle. I will put a picture up from the behind it later.
I plan on trying all the shots brought up, maybe 5 times each, see how they pan out. Falling on the 4, even though it was a small window, felt super natural. The CB was automatically going there.
I misjudged where the 6 was going, I thought it would stay on the other side of the 9, so I was playing the CB to come back across the table.
First of all, your music sucks.
Second, you shot it the same way I would have tried it. You hit it better than I would have though...
Ha ha, I'll put it louder next time
I made the 7, and botched the CB and scratched. I was not ideal on the 7, but I could have recovered from it. I hit the CB way to hard and scratched one rail on the bottom left pocket as viewed in the picture.
The 4 only went in that one side pocket, unless it was broken out, even if you had BIH on it.
No, scratched on the 7.
I thought the combo was way off...
With the tangent line from the 3 to the 4 four a perfect stun shot draw/split em open to the other long rail, and the 1 ball is gone, it's the only natural/easy and controllable shot. Since you have BIH on the one, your shape from the 2 to the 3 should be right where ya need it.
That is why I would have chosen that shot. It would be the correct shot for me also. I prefer the short shape to banking or moving balls.
I should start another WWYD thread with the pretense of illustrating my point. However will be me bragging on my winning a eight ball match against a Grand Master.
Ok going into brag mode now so..............Fair Notice.
The background: Lincoln City Western BCA Grandmaster/Master division last March. Race to 6 eightball.
I lose my first match, just not able to put anything together. Go straight to my losers bracket match to find I play Ken Dodd an aging Grandmaster. His Fargorate showed at 605 but being eightball and his experience that was meaningless. Mine was at 597.
He goes ahead at 3-1. I catch up at 3-3. He breaks and runs. I break dry and he runs. 5-3 and he is on the hill. He breaks, spreads the balls wide and runs...to his key ball. It had to be hit crisply to give him perfect shape on the eight. Which he did but the key ball wobbled and would not fall. All the way in the pocket but would not fall.
My seven balls on the table were what I needed to get settled. I was not perfect at first but got there and then won the next game as well. Now I am settled and focused and it is Ken's break. No wide open break this time....
I made 3 balls my first inning but had to abort the mission, knowing the big hole I was digging making balls and not getting out. Played a good safe. Ken left me a semi-safe position that I think was possibly using Niels theory of 'if he goes for this'.
I know my chances playing a moving game against a grandmaster. (I had that experience with Rafael Martinez. While I lasted almost a half hour it was hopeless.) So I took the bait.
The bottom line, I made an out that I can not duplicate in practice. After 10 tries I gave up and just laughed. The feeling of doing that in competition is worth all of the failures to get to that point.:thumbup:
:thumbup: The look on his face when I shook his hand was like the fighter that has been knocked out by a punch he never saw coming.While I think the out is straight forward it will be interesting to see what other people see if I can put up an approximation of the ball positions. Is there a site where I can arrange the balls on a table for illustration.
Bill,
I dont say the following to question your skill level...i know where you been!
Are you advocating going straight off the 3 and into the cluster, as opposed to following off the 3, 2 rails into the cluster?
In my experience, the ipmact angle is far more precise when you roll, as opposed to stun, and approaching a cluster into its longer side is preferred to going into its side...
Sure, ther is a bit of fortune involved, but i am a way better hope-er than those top players are...coz wher i hope it happens, they makes it happens!.
No way to get hooked
Moving along the tangent line is one of thee more simple shots to execute, not too much draw no follow. There are sooooo many good things, even a dbl kiss could be there, but your 4 ball is moving towards shape of the two side pockets and the 2 corner pockets. That's strong, plus you might be laying good enough on the three, that you could draw/ kick bank the 4 out on the split hit....and shoot it in the other side. Everything is moving in the right direction for the shooter, and the target draw area is 5'' that's a Big target for a stun shot.
Moving along the tangent line is one of thee more simple shots to execute, not too much draw no follow. There are sooooo many good things, even a dbl kiss could be there, but your 4 ball is moving towards shape of the two side pockets and the 2 corner pockets. That's strong, plus you might be laying good enough on the three, that you could draw/ kick bank the 4 out on the split hit....and shoot it in the other side. Everything is moving in the right direction for the shooter, and the target draw area is 5'' that's a Big target for a stun shot.
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I just spent an hour shooting the shot several ways.
1- Playing behind the 4, 1 or 2 rails to shoot the 4 straight in the side.
2- Playing off the the 3, *no rails straight into the 4/6 cluster. (*edit, I mistakingly wrote "one rail" earlier)
3- Playing off the 3, 2 rails into the other side of the 4/6 cluster.
4- Playing for a straight in shot on the 3, to bank the 4 one rail cross side.
For me, by far #1 worked the best. #3 was next best (but a ways away). #2 next. And #4 worst. Also, on #4, its not a high percentage route getting the CB straight enough on the 3 to hold it for the bank on the 4.
I have the video, but its an hour long, and I'd have to edit out the dead space, and I don't really feel like doing that. ha ha.
I shot all the shots with BIH on the 3 ball (to assume I got good on it and save time). Shots 1, 2, and 3 I shot from the same BIH donut spot as on my original video. I think getting to that spot was very easy and repeatable from where the 1 and 2 were. I probably tried each shot about 10 to 15 times. I was not counting, but I hit them enough to make sure I hit them good, and to see the types of results that would happen.
The breakout was really not that good. No matter if I hit the 4 or the 6 first, going one rail straight into it, or 2 rails from behind it, the shots that resulted were all over the place.
I'm reminded of the pro commentators who usually say "if you don't absolutely need to move balls, don't move them".
Thank for participating. If you guys really want to see the video I can try to edit it...
1- Playing behind the 4, 1 or 2 rails to shoot the 4 straight in the side.
2- Playing off the the 3, *no rails straight into the 4/6 cluster. (*edit, I mistakingly wrote "one rail" earlier)
3- Playing off the 3, 2 rails into the other side of the 4/6 cluster.
4- Playing for a straight in shot on the 3, to bank the 4 one rail cross side.
For me, by far #1 worked the best. #3 was next best (but a ways away). #2 next. And #4 worst. Also, on #4, its not a high percentage route getting the CB straight enough on the 3 to hold it for the bank on the 4.
I have the video, but its an hour long, and I'd have to edit out the dead space, and I don't really feel like doing that. ha ha.
I shot all the shots with BIH on the 3 ball (to assume I got good on it and save time). Shots 1, 2, and 3 I shot from the same BIH donut spot as on my original video. I think getting to that spot was very easy and repeatable from where the 1 and 2 were. I probably tried each shot about 10 to 15 times. I was not counting, but I hit them enough to make sure I hit them good, and to see the types of results that would happen.
The breakout was really not that good. No matter if I hit the 4 or the 6 first, going one rail straight into it, or 2 rails from behind it, the shots that resulted were all over the place.
I'm reminded of the pro commentators who usually say "if you don't absolutely need to move balls, don't move them".
Thank for participating. If you guys really want to see the video I can try to edit it...
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Thanks for explaining.
I have little doubt i could hit the 4/6, but i see bumping the 4 into the side rail and it coming right bach about where it was.
Perhaps it is a self fullfilling prophecy, that i willscrew meself. Maybe i wll try it later today.
I have little doubt i could hit the 4/6, but i see bumping the 4 into the side rail and it coming right bach about where it was.
Perhaps it is a self fullfilling prophecy, that i willscrew meself. Maybe i wll try it later today.
This is why the tangent line draw is strong, if ya split hit em everything is there and NOT moving away from your area, this thinking in the long run has more benefit. The 2 rail cue ball movement is always going Away from where you want it to stay.
I'm in the camp that says hit 'em off the 3-ball....you park whitey off the 2-ball where the
tip of the cue laying on the table is.
The trick is to split the 4-6 GENTLY....and never hit the 6-ball on the low side...if you hit the
4-ball only, most scenarios, you get a shot.
...but most importantly, you will probably never hook yourself...so in the cases where you
don't like your leave, you get the first safety, hopefully a snooker.
But which way you going at the pair?
I see going at them with stun- especially lightly- just pushing the 4 to the rail. You get left with a bank.
I see coming at it 2 rAils increasing the distance the 4 travels. Not something I have particularly thought about before, but distance doesn't bother me too much. It only bothers my make %. :shrug:
I believe it was Island Drive that also said he would stun it to the 4 off the three. A stun shot will put the cb below the 9. It won't come near the 4-6. A stun shot comes off the ob at 90 degrees. Which is why I said to use draw. And, one can quite accurately figure out exactly where the cb will go on a draw shot using the 1/3 rule.
I thing we are beyond the definition of 'stun'. Whatever you call it, stun, drag, force...we talking going into the pair without touching a rail.
Going straight into the cluster no rails (from where the CB landed in my original video) was not super high percentage for me. I missed the cluster entirely a few times. There was not a lot of margin for error on striking the CB. By contrast, going into the cluster 2 rails from behind was over 90% to hit it. I only missed hitting the cluster once that way.
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I can't really tell you how I'm going to hit it exactly.
I have to see where I parked whitey...even a half inch changes the hit,,,
,,,then the cue-ball condition and state and kind of cloth is a factor.
Oh, come on petey.
B-. I've beaten the ghost on our yearly ghost challenge races to 7, 3 times. My best score was 7-3. I probably tried it 50 times or more in the 3 years the challenge has been going.