WWYD Mar 1

Rodney said:
3 in the short corner, 4 in the long corner by the 8, 5 in the long corner . Those are pretty close to stop shots as the give natural angles to the next balls. After that, all balls get pocketed in the closest pocket.
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If this was a bar table I'd do that.
Since this is a 9' it's always good to ''swing it'', because your moving whitey around table allot and helps your speed control.
These two players are close to 700 Fargo level, the draw back is simple.
It's allot easier to draw back 10-20'' and still have a perfect angle to the next ball, than to draw it back 2'' to be perfect.
 
I would swipe all the balls off the table in disgust.

The owner of center pocket asked me if I wanted to come watch some grudge matches and hang out on a Saturday so I showed up expecting to watch. He wanted me to play someone, to keep the stream rolling I suppose, and I said sure. But only cuz I didn’t know which ball set they were using in the stream room.

That’s right friends. I found myself face to face with the vomit inducing Aramith Blacks. I had already agreed to play, agreed on a wager with the guy I was supposed to be “grudging” and talked to the streamers about the game etc.

I wanted to turn around, take a shower, then gouge out my eyeballs, but I had agreed to play and so play we did. My opponent and I played shape on that godforsaken purple 5 ball several times each. And I felt like I was contracting aids whenever I had to shoot that black and yellow 9 ball 🤢🤮 I could barely glance at it. Probably missed more 9 balls that day than the previous 7 years together. Good morning all
 
i dont even bother posting what i would do as figuring out what ball is what by the colors is too tough nowadays.

but its an easy runout for a pro. and tough for an amateur with that many balls.
 
It's all about getting from the 6 to the seven with a minimum cut angle on the 6.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I'd effing foul on the second shot when I play the five instead of the four because of the stupid colors.

If not,

3 to the lower right, draw for the four to the same with angle to get off the rail or draw to the five for the lower left. Enough cut on the five to roll a bit toward the lower right to have the six slightly off straight in. Seven to the lower right, shape to the eight is easy unless I am straight in, so don't do that. Also don't get straight on the eight. Paint by numbers.

Can't figure out why anyone would take a full length shot on their second ball.
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Watch the video of what happened and you will see why I'm taking the long shot on the 4 ball. What's easier than stop shots? If someone cant make a table length straight in shot with a foot between the balls its time to put the cue down.
 
maha said:
i dont even bother posting what i would do as figuring out what ball is what by the colors is too tough nowadays.
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You have got to be f'n kidding. In the first post the OP has attached a number to all the balls.

IMHO it's all easy on paper while sitting on the sidelines. Hell it's easy to figure when in the box playing. What's not easy is being hill hill with $$$$ on the line & having to come with the goods for real.

When I find a few spare minutes I will give the layout a go.
 
fastone371 said:
Watch the video of what happened and you will see why I'm taking the long shot on the 4 ball. What's easier than stop shots? If someone cant make a table length straight in shot with a foot between the balls its time to put the cue down.
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In order for the shot on the four to be straight in, you have to drift the CB a few inches. If you don't drift far enough or at all, the tangent puts you in bad shape for the five. Go too far and it is even worse.

Going off the rail for the five in the same pocket gives the most room for error to get good shape on the six. I would have played a touch of left on the four just so I couldn't be left as close to the five as the player was.

As was said, hill-game nerves got him, he just hit the worst speed he could going to the five. Watch the rest of the game and you will see the opponent miss a nearly straight nine.
 
fastone371 said:
Watch the video of what happened and you will see why I'm taking the long shot on the 4 ball. What's easier than stop shots? If someone cant make a table length straight in shot with a foot between the balls its time to put the cue dow
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The OP pic looked like you had to draw whitey about 2''.
 
Island Drive said:
The OP pic looked like you had to draw whitey about 2''.
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From 3 to 4 you would have to roll forward 3" to be straight, I would put 4 in upper left pocket. Even slightly off angle that's an easy shot, easier I think than coming off the rail and possibly having the 5 interfere. I'm a lot better rolling forward small distances rather than drawing back small distances. To me there is just less to go wrong when you keep cue ball travel to a minimum, especially under pressure.
 
iusedtoberich said:
This is what the player (681) played. He was trying to get where the "4 trying" cb is to shoot the 5. Instead he got to "4 landed" and was too steep on the 5. He ended up miscuing on the 5. He spent a solid 1-2 min trying to plan the out after the opponent scratched and he had BIH, and he's a fast shooter normally.

Run starts at 4:05.30. Link should take you right there. He spent a good minute before this planning the out.
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The most shocking thing about that pattern and how he blew it, is that I'm 5 fargo points below his spd....
 
JohnnyOzone said:
I'd shoot the 3 in the corner, then shoot the 5 in the side out of order because IT'S THE WRONGF F***ING COLOR!
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Ha ha, I sent this layout to a small pool group chat I have, and half of them thought the same. So when I brought it here to AZ, I wrote the numbers for each ball.
 
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fastone371 said:
From 3 to 4 you would have to roll forward 3" to be straight, I would put 4 in upper left pocket. Even slightly off angle that's an easy shot, easier I think than coming off the rail and possibly having the 5 interfere. I'm a lot better rolling forward small distances rather than drawing back small distances. To me there is just less to go wrong when you keep cue ball travel to a minimum, especially under pressure.
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The problem with the soft forward roll is the always loaming kick(skid)... Not saying you should bank on it happening, but successful pool (imo) is about minimizing risk.

The problem with the draw shot is that people think its a draw shot. If you're reversing the ball, you're doing it wrong. Why draw the ball when you can create angle with your BIH and stun the CB to the location for the 4 into the top right corner. Also, being afraid of the side pocket in that circumstance for the 5, is newb fear. I'm in awe his fargo is so high
 
DeeDeeCues said:
In order for the shot on the four to be straight in, you have to drift the CB a few inches. If you don't drift far enough or at all, the tangent puts you in bad shape for the five. Go too far and it is even worse.

Going off the rail for the five in the same pocket gives the most room for error to get good shape on the six. I would have played a touch of left on the four just so I couldn't be left as close to the five as the player was.

As was said, hill-game nerves got him, he just hit the worst speed he could going to the five. Watch the rest of the game and you will see the opponent miss a nearly straight nine.
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You have BIH on the 3 so you can roll straight forward 3" to be straight on the 4, if you're straight in the 4 or close to it its a stop shot for the 5 which looks like it would be another stop shot to get on the 6, putting the 5 in the side from the spot should keep the side pocket fairly large so there is that, you have a range of a stop shot to about a foot of draw on the 5 to get great on the 6 to keep you in line on the 7, I would want to end up below the 7 and stun to the 8, drawing out 2 rails to stay on the shot line would be way too risky.
 
fastone371 said:
You have BIH on the 3 so you can roll straight forward 3" to be straight on the 4, if you're straight in the 4 or close to it its a stop shot for the 5 which looks like it would be another stop shot to get on the 6, putting the 5 in the side from the spot should keep the side pocket fairly large so there is that, you have a range of a stop shot to about a foot of draw on the 5 to get great on the 6 to keep you in line on the 7, I would want to end up below the 7 and stun to the 8, drawing out 2 rails to stay on the shot line would be way too risky.
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I like it, just not my style.
 
The_JV said:
The problem with the soft forward roll is the always loaming kick(skid)... Not saying you should bank on it happening, but successful pool (imo) is about minimizing risk.

The problem with the draw shot is that people think its a draw shot. If you're reversing the ball, you're doing it wrong. Why draw the ball when you can create angle with your BIH and stun the CB to the location for the 4 into the top right corner. Also, being afraid of the side pocket in that circumstance for the 5, is newb fear. I'm in awe his fargo is so high
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I'm not drawing for the 4, I'm rolling forward. I practice ball replacement shots and I am yet to suffer a skid. I never said I was afraid of the side, that's where the 5 is going, I said not to fear the side because its not a bad angle.
 
fastone371 said:
I'm not drawing for the 4, I'm rolling forward. I practice ball replacement shots and I am yet to suffer a skid. I never said I was afraid of the side, that's where the 5 is going, I said not to fear the side because its not a bad angle.
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My apologies... I quoted you to note the potential pitfalls of soft rolling forward. Then went on suggesting other concepts that weren't specific to your post. That said...

Despite your flawless record in avoiding skids with soft rolls. It is a greater reality with the type of shot you're suggesting. That doesn't mean I don't perform the same technique. Just that when a more reliable option presents itself. I will avoid the potential pitfall.

My comment of fearing the side, was in regards to how the actual shooter developed his pattern to avoid it, and was not directed at you. Again, my apologies.
 
I suppose the only way to find out is to set it up and try it but even then I would guess that there will be differences player to player.
 
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