WWYD Mar 1

I suppose the only way to find out is to set it up and try it but even then I would guess that there will be differences player to player.
I roughly feel that regardless of player level, if a FargoRate 500, 600, 700, and 800 all did this 100 times with all the options, there would be a consistent winner amongst all the skill levels.

I feel that way about all layouts. That there “is” one best way to shoot it if going for the runout.
 
I roughly feel that regardless of player level, if a FargoRate 500, 600, 700, and 800 all did this 100 times with all the options, there would be a consistent winner amongst all the skill levels.

I feel that way about all layouts. That there “is” one best way to shoot it if going for the runout.
Did you try it yet? You usually do and let us know the results.
 
I roughly feel that regardless of player level, if a FargoRate 500, 600, 700, and 800 all did this 100 times with all the options, there would be a consistent winner amongst all the skill levels. ...
If you include lower-rated players, like 400s, I think this is not true. There are situations where the easiest solution for me includes a shot where I draw the cue ball. Some players can't draw.
 
From 3 to 4 you would have to roll forward 3" to be straight, I would put 4 in upper left pocket. Even slightly off angle that's an easy shot, easier I think than coming off the rail and possibly having the 5 interfere. I'm a lot better rolling forward small distances rather than drawing back small distances. To me there is just less to go wrong when you keep cue ball travel to a minimum, especially under pressure.
Only thing wrong with that and 4.5 pockets is you better not catch either pocket nose.
Shooting in the upper r/h pocket if you hit the long rail slightly it will pocket.
L/S pocket has to be hit dead centerish, the other pocket your able to miss a little to the right and ball still pockets.

Plus the left/side pocket Distance is slightly greater than the shot to the upper right.
 
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Only thing wrong with that and 4.5 pockets is you better not catch either pocket nose.
Shooting in the upper r/h pocket if you hit the long rail slightly it will pocket.
L/S pocket has to be hit dead centerish, the other pocket your able to miss a little to the right and ball still pockets.
Plus the ol/s pockets Distance is slightly greater than the shot to the upper right.
With the short distance between object ball and cue ball (but not too short) I am real confidant of pulling that one off the vast majority of time, even if both balls are a 1/4" off the rail. I like that a lot better than the cue ball in the same place and object ball half way between pocket and cue ball. The distance that the object ball has to travel doesn't bother me because even though I play on barboxes all of my practice is on my 9' table. It seems like when you get used to playing on both that you don't really notice a size difference.
 
The 3 in the corner STOP
4 in the upper right hand corner STOP
5 in the side and draw back a little, DOG PROOFS THE OUT.
Minimal cue ball movement. Less risk of screwing it up and getting the wrong angle.
Didn’t anyone ever watch any Accu Stats Videos with Grady, Buddy, Billy, Danny, and every other oldhead talking about ”Don’t play position if it’s already there” “Don’t play position if you don’t have to”?

If you are in dead punch, have whitey on a string and are feeling it? Sure. Go 4 rails on every shot if you want to. Knock yourself out.

But hill hill, down a set and BIH to get back to even?
If I don’t have to, I am not moving whitey at all. For my money, I am moving whitey the least amount possible.

When I’m up 3 sets, then I’ll try to bank every ball in and lose from there.
 
The most shocking thing about that pattern and how he blew it, is that I'm 5 fargo points below his spd....
Pressure does weird things to us all man. I watched that rack till the end and never in a 100 years would I be able to guess either of their fargos. Looks more like something you'd see in 5vs4 race in a beer league.
 
Looks pretty straightforward to me - start with 3 nearly stop shots (white CB).

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WWYD to run out? You have ball in hand. It's hill-hill on a local action challenge that is streamed. 4.5" pockets tight gold crown. Players are 659 and 681.

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The key here is getting the right shape on the 5 so you can play shape to not leave too much angle on the 6, otherwise the 6/7 could get tricky.

I’m not crazy about playing shape for the 4 to a corner pocket that is 8 feet away especially if it’s worn cloth making the corner pockets play tighter. However playing the BIH 3 to shape on the 4 in the same pocket could get tricky as well, as far as your chances to get easy on the 5.

I think I’d opt for the 3 inch draw on the BIH 3 ball leading to close to straight in 4 in the upper right corner, making sure to fall on the correct angle on the 5 in the side with a slight draw to leaving an easy angle on the 6. From there, the rest is obvious.
 
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Looks pretty straightforward to me - start with 3 nearly stop shots (white CB).

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I don´t like this one. Position zone to 4 is too close to 4 and more diffucult to execute than just rolling slowly for position to 4. If you miss position from 3 to 4 even slightly, you end up with angle that causes problems to getting 5 ball correctly and that makes this very hard fast.
Rolling the 3 ball very slowly and trying almost replace 3 ball with cueball have a advantage(s) over this.
Slow rolling 3 in is very, very easy to execute. Even if roll with minimum speed(too slow) one will not get much angle to 4 ball and cut is to right side of 4 that is then easy to get properly to 5.
If rolling cueball slightly too far one ends up slight cut to left of cueball and can still play good position to 5 to same upper left corner.
I always try use myself shots that give most of margin of error or are easier to execute. This example rolling the 3 in is ticking both boxes.
I admit difference between these choises are not much but still I would not ever choose this way over rolling 3 in..
 
I don´t like this one. Position zone to 4 is too close to 4 and more diffucult to execute than just rolling slowly for position to 4. If you miss position from 3 to 4 even slightly, you end up with angle that causes problems to getting 5 ball correctly and that makes this very hard fast.
Totally agree, and although I wouldn't slow roll through, I would set up the BIH to stun away into a lower position to pot the 4 in the 'upper right'.
Rolling the 3 ball very slowly and trying almost replace 3 ball with cueball have a advantage(s) over this.
Slow rolling 3 in is very, very easy to execute. Even if roll with minimum speed(too slow) one will not get much angle to 4 ball and cut is to right side of 4 that is then easy to get properly to 5.
Can't argue with how easy it is to roll a ball. That said, soft rolls can go real bad. In this case so bad a kick will likely end up placing you in the same spot as a full blow stop shot. This results in an awkward angle considering the required shape on the 5. Not that you can't recover, but why even risk it..?
I always try use myself shots that give most of margin of error or are easier to execute. This example rolling the 3 in is ticking both boxes.
Ok, then why not simply stun the 3 with a confident stroke (w/ angle to get straight on the 4 to the upper right)...? The upper right plays bigger then the upper left, and has a slightly shorter path which also increases your odds. ...and that shot eliminates the possibility for a CB/3 kick to bad.
I admit difference between these choises are not much but still I would not ever choose this way over rolling 3 in..
Can't recall, but has anyone considered shooting the 5 into the lower left..? That option dials back the critical angle on the 4. Lets you lean toward an angle on the 4 to the upper right. Shooting through the 4 to middle table height makes the 5 and subsequent shape to 6 easy peasy.
 
Hill hill!

Shaun dogged a kick and stick safe by clipping the blocking ball on the way into the kick. Sky gets BIH and runs out, winning 10-9.

PS, last week I tried all the shots in this thread 5 times each and recorded. I'll update with the results sometime soon.
 
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