WWYD: Push out to where?

... I'd shoot the one towards the four with a 3 o'clock horizontal spinning cue ball, ...
Hi Bill,
I'm not clear here. Would you play ball-first or rail-first on the shot? Do you plan for the cue ball to go straight towards the middle of the head cushion?
 
Hi Bill,
I'm not clear here. Would you play ball-first or rail-first on the shot? Do you plan for the cue ball to go straight towards the middle of the head cushion?

Rail ball.... one ball into the 4 cue ball will go up table towards the six, NO chance of the scratch and if hit real well, might hook em behind the 6.
 
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The exception for players of equal ability is if you have some kind of specialty shot that you've been practicing and you push out to that. Maybe you've been practicing kicks on this table. Or for this case, maybe you have been practicing frozen-ball 90-degree cut shots from the kitchen. Push out to that and hope your opponent hasn't been practicing the 3-cushion safety behind the 6.

Yeah, Bob, I forgot about that from the old 'roll out' days.
James Christopher used to roll out to thin cuts that were hard to bank...
...those that knew him would roll back to a bank that couldn't be cut in.

You really got to know your opponent pretty quick in those days.
 
When I shoot that shot I make the 6.:frown:

I saw last year in at the Varner event in Denver Max Eberle do the same thing but worse, he also hooked himself real gooooooooooooood. and they were both on the hill. The loss, he as a seasoned pro took it in stride. :thumbup:
 
Ditto... not pushing here. Probably would put the one next to the 8

Fine, but that wasn't what the OP asked.
He asked where would you PUSH.
Otherwise, all sorts of answers can be had.

Just trying to stay focused here. :thumbup:
 
Fine, but that wasn't what the OP asked.
He asked where would you PUSH.
Otherwise, all sorts of answers can be had.

Just trying to stay focused here. :thumbup:

Well, he better explain WHY would you push then...
 
If you are playing an opponent of equal ability, the push should be a coin flip.
You can better the odds a little if you can push out to a shot that you might perform better than your opponent. That's the point of my shot above.

pj
chgo
 
You just made the 7 on the break. The 1 is froze. You decide to push out. Where do you push out to give yourself the best chance of winning?

If I was at the table I'd NOT roll out, I'd shoot the one towards the four with a 3 o'clock horizontal spinning cue ball, that to me is the winning shot and the Only shot I see to turn the tables, it will be Very effective. Great ball separation, and no place to hide plus if opponent does the same, he might put the one ball close to the nine, not good. Hope these thoughts help.

This is the shot I would go for too. It helps that the 4 ball would stop the 1 from a sell out on the other corner pocket. And I would stroke just hard enough to get the cue ball to the head rail to avoid any argument about a rail/ball hit foul. I just don't see doing the thin cut on left to snooker the cue ball behind 6; I just keep seeing a sell out on leaving shape to cut the 1 back into the upper left corner if it's not done well.
 
You can better the odds a little if you can push out to a shot that you might perform better than your opponent. That's the point of my shot above.

pj
chgo

That's the point of ANY push.
Although thanks for answering the "why" for the other poster.
 
Yep

The exception for players of equal ability is if you have some kind of specialty shot that you've been practicing and you push out to that. Maybe you've been practicing kicks on this table. Or for this case, maybe you have been practicing frozen-ball 90-degree cut shots from the kitchen. Push out to that and hope your opponent hasn't been practicing the 3-cushion safety behind the 6.
I concur! If you must push. Push to your strength and or your opponent's weakness. Shane will push to a jump shot when playing Efren. Efren will push to a crazy multi rail kick safe that no one else even sees!
 
I can't push. The shot I saw immediately was thinning the one and parking the CB behind the 5
 

Nice video, greg.

If one has keen pool acumen, one can tell that Efren was NOT trying to make the combo one rail (9 ball) into the side.
He was trying to play safe by knocking the 2 into the 9 so the 2 stops behind the 6 and the cue ball goes up the table for a safe.
If one sees the speed with which he hit the cue ball into the rail and then into the 2, it's a no-brainer.

Now the 10 ball, obviously he was trying to make that one.
 
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Nice video, greg.

If one has keen pool acumen, one can tell that Efren was NOT trying to make the combo one rail (9 ball) into the side.
He was trying to play safe by knocking the 2 into the 9 so the 2 stops behind the 6 and the cue ball goes up the table for a safe.
If one sees the speed with which he hit the cue ball into the rail and then into the 2, it's a no-brainer.

Now the 10 ball, obviously he was trying to make that one.

I thought he hit it the way he did to leave an either or shot on the two. Almost a second push out. Since the nine could miss the next shot was not going to be easy. He did walk around and look at it then called it, the nine was intended, just not guaranteed.
 
He just got lucky.

I thought he hit it the way he did to leave an either or shot on the two. Almost a second push out. Since the nine could miss the next shot was not going to be easy. He did walk around and look at it then called it, the nine was intended, just not guaranteed.
Of course if you asked Efren, he would say, "I got lucky."
 
You just made the 7 on the break. The 1 is froze. You decide to push out. Where do you push out to give yourself the best chance of winning?


I would take a picture and say, shit this break is as rare as making the nine twice on the break, call it a night and have another beer for good measure.
 
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