Yang vs. Orcullo

ArNz said:
which means he's pressured in front of live crowds and televised matches... hmmmm

most likely, I have never seen Dennis that confident playing pool in a televised match and in front of a huge crowd. I remembered watching a match between him and Earl. during that time, Dennis was already a known strong money player and Earl knows that. I saw how Earl looked nervous being match-uped against Dennis in that first outing. on the otherhand, Dennis was freakin nervous himself. I could tell this by their expression on their faces and their tentative plays and often easy misses. though Dennis was able to beat Earl on that match, he lost his succeeding matches to other players. Dennis is a great player, but I think he has the tendency to choke in these type of matches (televised) more often, not to exclude the recent World 8-ball and Philippine Open. unless Dennis learns how to compose himself more, it would be difficult for him to win. He has still a long way to go with regards to televised matches.
 
The way how Vanvan gives spots to other players and being able to beat Dennis a number of times, I guess that LVC should be the one playing Yang!
 
phoebe choy said:
Good question.....maybe I'll ask him one day. Yet, I'm kinda curious, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a wager on ths match already!!! :rolleyes:
Just got off the phone with Alex, he was not able to get any bet. According to him, he wanted to place it on Yang.
 
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jay helfert said:
I think Dennis is still a great player, but he is getting his head handed to him here. If they play several times, I have no doubt Dennis will find a way to win, just as he did when Van Van was beating him earlier this year.

For anyone to handle Dennis like this, he has to be a great player. I say let them play Ten Ball next time. And I'll bet on Dennis again...EVEN!

I don't understand how you can possibly be this negative about Dennis. If you read what went on that second day, there really was not much that Dennis could do. Yang was stringing tons of racks together and locking Dennis up dead when he didn't have a good shot. There really was not much Dennis could do, no matter how good he felt. At least that's how it sounds to me. When you get two players this good playing 9-ball, lots depends on the rolls. It's just like Earl v. Efren in that race to 120 when Efren could not get his break working and was down 17 games. This doesn't mean he was outclassed. He came back to win!
 
Island Drive said:
I don't think "anyone" has the mental/creative depth to beat Effie at this type of game (win on the 15 only), he's too dam smart moving around the table when he's not pocketing balls.

Listen, Efren may just have been the greatest Rotation player of all time. And probably still is one of the best, if not the best. Hell, it's his first game, his birth game, before he ever knew how to spell One Pocket. I SAW him handle the World Champ Alcano easily playing races to eleven Rotation. Something like 11-6, 11-7.

No one has to like it playing him right now. I damn sure wouldn't bet against him. I don't see too many of the young filipino warriors rushing into a Rotation game with the old master.
 
mentally...dennis was outclassed by yang. dennis missed an easy 6ball last night...an EASY 6ball... yang all through matches has d same facial expressions...on dennis behalf..you can see from his face how dissappointed he was during some of his racks loses...
 
liekdi2588 said:
By Marlon Bernardino - January 24, 2007
The "Son Of Pool" To Conquer The "Cradle Of Pool"

MANILA, PHILIPPINES - EFREN “Bata” Reyes, Francisco “Django” Bustamante, Lee Van Corteza and Ronato “Ronnie Calamba” Alcano. All of them are in his victims’ list.

But just as Yang Ching-shun thought that he had beaten all the best Filipino cue artists, he was wrong for there is this guy named Dennis Orcollo he has yet to conquer.

So the “Son of pool” is coming back to the Philippines to meet its reigning money-game king, and once and for all complete his mighty conquest of the billiards capital of the world.

Yang will face-off with Orcollo in a race-to-60 match dubbed as “The Golden Pool Classic presents: Dennis Orcollo vs Yang Ching-shun it’s all about the money… and more” slated on April 20 to 22, and tentatively set at the Gateway Mall in Cubao, Quezon City.

Besides the prestigious claim of being the money-game king of the world, Orcollo and Yang will also dispute the $10,000 at stake in this three-day contest organized by the Bugsy Promotions and Rocketman Enterprises.

Though he holds no major title, the 28-year-old Yang is the most feared player in Chinese-Taipei that even the likes of his compatriots, former world champions Fong Pang-chao and Wu Chia-ching have taken his wrath.

“ Yang is really the best Taiwanese player today,” said Bugsy Promotions head Ceferino “Perry” Mariano.

“He may not be as popular as Fong and Wu, particularly to many of us Filipinos, but Yang is a very great player that almost everybody is afraid to face him, especially in a long one-on-one match like in money-game,” added Mariano.

“He is the money-game king of Taiwan.”

And he is trying to extend his territory to the Philippines.

During last year’s World Pool Championship, Yang, though not faring well in the tournament proper settling for just a round-of-32 finish, has created quite a tremor outside as he waylaid one after another all the players he met in a privately-arranged money-game matches reportedly.

Among his victims then was the former world no.1 Bustamante, whom he siphoned P150,000. Even Alcano, the eventual WPC champion, did not escape Yang’s fury, surrendering P150,000.

It was in Taiwan, meanwhile, where Yang demolished Reyes and again Bustamante.

“ It’s only Orcollo the remaining top Filipino player who Yang has yet to meet. That’s why we arranged this match to know if that Taiwanese guy really has the Filipinos’s number,” said Rocketman top honcho Ramon “Mon” Tuason.
The 28-year-old Orcollo is heavily regarded as the best money-game player in the Philippines that no one dared to challenge him except in a handicapped match with him giving the opponent an advantage huge advantage most of the time.

Moreover his home soil, this Surigao del Sur native has been making mammoth waves in the international money-game scene, most recent of which was in the 2007 Derby City Classic in Kentucky a couple of weeks ago, where he stole the spotlight from the tournament proper by winning a couple of nationally-televised side events in sweeping fashion, as well as a number of money-game matches.

Unfortunately, Orcollo is not as lucky in formal tournaments, where his greatest achievement so far is the title conquest of the 2006 World Pool League.

In that category, he ranks below the likes of world champions Efren "Bata" Reyes, Alex "The Lion" Pagulayan, and Ronato "Ronnie Calamba" Alcano, all of whom he usually beat in the money-game.
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Yang also has ever said he wasn't familiar with Orcullo, and never met Orcullo before.

Thanks Marlon. I was misinformed.
 
mariopatricio said:
Amen to that, X Breaker.

I think Jay is just in shock (and in despair over his $1000) by the pummeling Dennis absorbed from Yang yesterday. Yang looked like the money game king of the universe on Day 2. But today is another day, and so is tomorrow...

This is both the beauty and the horror of 9-ball. The game is unpredictable and easy. In a 9-ball match, the better player does not always win. Last year, Yang lost to Jeff Bata at the Asiad (9-2), Ramil Gallego in the Asian Pool Tour, and Ralf Souquet in the WPC. Similarly, Dennis was beaten 9-1 by Gandy Valle in the Philippine Nationals last year, a player who normally takes a handicap from him. And yes Gandy took down Yang in the Asian tour to win one tour leg.

This is why here in the Philippines, Filipinos don't play 9-ball in the money game circuit. They prefer 10-ball, rotation, and occasionally 8-ball. The better player prevails 90% of the time.

Don't worry Mario. It will take a little more than 1K to put me despair or 'shock'. Now if I had 100K on the line, I would be sweating bullets by now.
I just won $1,400 online an hour ago. And that was in a small game (10-20). If I couldn't handle the action, I wouldn't make the bet. To me this is just a sweat bet, nothing too serious. Sure I would like to win, but I won't lose any sleep over it if I lose.

But thanks for your concern anyway. Could you spare a 20 till next time I see you? lol
 
uwate said:
In this day and age, it would be very easy for Jay to do a quick lookup on a person with just the name and address. Especially for USA people, a Google search, with a Zillow.com search on the persons address tells alot about who is dealing with. The internet is a powerful tool to evaluate a person's ability to pay.

Don't discount the shame factor either. Especially for high post count people, these are pool nuts and you know how it is...pool players may stay away for a bit...but they always come back. For a hundred or two...what pool nut is gonna be a nit when you know he will be outed, by name, as a major league welsher.

There is always risk, but I dont think Jay took on alot of it here with a handful of 50-300 bets.

You're exactly right. I knew most of the people I bet with, and the others by reputation. And we didn't bet high, only sociably. Now if someone had asked me to bet a thousand, I would have taken some precautions if I didn't know them.

By the way, I turned down a bet or two that I was uncomfortable with. I won't go into the reasons. X Breaker was not one of them. He just got there to late, for the feast. lol
 
Takumi4G63 said:
I don't understand how you can possibly be this negative about Dennis. If you read what went on that second day, there really was not much that Dennis could do. Yang was stringing tons of racks together and locking Dennis up dead when he didn't have a good shot. There really was not much Dennis could do, no matter how good he felt. At least that's how it sounds to me. When you get two players this good playing 9-ball, lots depends on the rolls. It's just like Earl v. Efren in that race to 120 when Efren could not get his break working and was down 17 games. This doesn't mean he was outclassed. He came back to win!

I wasn't being negative, just realistic. I think the world of Dennis and feel he is a great player. He just happened to meet a better player at this time. The mark of a "great" player is how he handles all conditions. Believe me, in their prime, Earl, Buddy and Mike had no problem playing on TV or on the floor for that matter. In fact the truly great players rise to the occasion and play their best under pressure. After all, that is what championship Pool is all about. Who handles the pressure the best.
 
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