Yapp winning, with a foul! Just like Maradona making a goal with his hands :D
- Thread starter smoochie
- Start date
Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion, but it is also reasonable to expect that the person putting it out there should be willing to consider all the evidence regarding whatever they are giving their opinion on and to expect to be called on it if it doesn't appear that they have. Don't you agree?
It didn't appear that you did or even that you were willing to look at all the evidence which automatically makes the opinion appear disingenuous, uninformed, and/or intentionally biased. I acknowledge the off chance that you had assessed all of it and just weren't convinced to the same conclusion that seems so readily apparent to me, which is why I asked you to explain your thought process so that I or others could learn how other people think and are able to come to the wrong conclusions or perhaps even learn where it was my own thought process that had gone wrong.
I agree with you on the rest of the post. Yapp's win isn't tainted in the least, it would be unlikely he would know he had so lightly grazed the nine ball even if he had, it is of course more than reasonable to discuss how things are best officiated, and as much as Marcel has majorly dogged it on many other calls in the past due to lack of basic knowledge that was inexcusable, this wasn't one of them as it would be unreasonable to expect that Marcel should always catch such a very slight movement of the nine ball even if it had actually happened.
Then explain these two things that nobody else has been able to give an explanation for.
We see the nine ball "move" 642 times all before, during and after the shot due to obvious video issues happening in more than 80% of the frames in the time right around the shot. Knowing that, how can you pick out any one of those 642, even though it looks just like the other 641 happening in most frames before and after it, and say "this particular one was caused by a foul and is not a video issue like the other 641 even though it looks just like the other 641"? Where is your evidence to believe that that one particular one out of the 642 was caused by anything other than the same thing that caused the other 641 of those optical illusions?
Why would the nine ball, after having been hit by the shaft, sit there perfectly still for a while before finally deciding to move later on? Don't balls that are hit move right away? If not, explain the physics or how they would stay in place perfectly motionless for a while before finally deciding to move later. Do they have the option to take a nap first before finally deciding to move at some later time after they have been hit? How does that work?
Last edited:
You're twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to avoid the obvious. He pulled the cue up and left after contact and hit the 9. End of story.
No he did not, and it is pretty clear from all the videos that he did not. We never see the shaft touch the nine ball, and we have zero reason to believe it did either, especially considering all the evidence against it. If you want to keep saying it did, show me the frame where the shaft is hitting the nine. Until then that is a silly belief, and that imaginary nine ball movement you are without evidence attributing to being a foul was just another one of the 641 other nine ball optical illusions that we can very clearly see are happening at the time.
It is you who are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to avoid the obvious. There was no foul, and physics and the video evidence very strongly support that there was no foul. I knew you wouldn't answer my two questions because you can't, and in the attempt to you would have ultimately had to admit that the evidence just doesn't support a foul, and in fact pretty much says that a foul could not have occurred.
But if you or anyone else that thinks that one of the 642 optical illusion nine ball movements was caused by a foul then you will be able to explain how you can tell that one was caused by a foul when it looks just like the other 641 imaginary nine ball movements that we know for sure are happening all around it due to the video issues. You will also be able to explain how, after being hit by the shaft, the nine ball could sit there absolutely perfectly still and take a nap for a while before it decided to wake up at some later time and finally move in reaction to being hit. Both of those two things would have had to have happened in order for there to have been a foul, so explain how it would makes sense that they could have happened.
Tough to explain the impossible, isn't it? I'll be waiting.
Last edited: