I'm still not real sure a ref would have seen it. He'd have to have been in a peferct position staring straight at this area and even then might have not noticed that 'oscillation' . He wouldn't have the same view as that camera did. Easy to say all this stuff after the fact. I'm drifting this thread with this: Yapp is one the most stand-up guys on the WNT tour. He would have called this on himself if he felt it. For a bunch of butthurt keyboard kowboys to knock his credibility over this is pathetic.
Yapp winning, with a foul! Just like Maradona making a goal with his hands :D
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While this wasn't directed towards me, I think the better question is why are you doing this? Even with the benefit of being able to watch multiple replays in super slow motion, half the people don't believe any foul occurred at all, that's how microscopic and unbelievably light the contact with the nine was even if it did happen. So microscopic that Yapp clearly wouldn't have been able to feel it when the tip was hitting the cue ball at the same time, under the nerves and preoccupation with it being one of the last couple of balls for the US Open title and a hundred thousand dollar prize.
Yet here you are seemingly on a sworn mission to get a guy widely considered to be one of the most upstanding guys in pool publicly labeled as a cheater for a perceived foul so miniscule half the people don't even think it happened at all even after watching it over and over in slow motion. Its almost as if you have something personal against Yapp and have had it out for him and been waiting for something to come along with which to try to nail him to a cross for. Fess up, what did he do to you? Is it just because he beat one of your idols?
Well you got one thing right in the thread, Marcel is the worst ref in pool, or real close to it anyway, so incompetent he shouldn't be allowed to be reffing your local APA match much less a professional event. Dude has blown more obvious calls due to a lack of very basic knowledge than anybody else out there that I am aware of. This wasn't one of them though. Again, pretty good chance no foul even occurred at all, but even if it did he could hardly be faulted for failing to see live the one millionth of an inch nine ball movement that half the people can't agree even happened after watching super slow motion videos over and over.
The hilite reel shows no movement by contact. It does show the 9B moving left with after the stick is clear; much like a ball may drop into the pocket after sitting at the edge. What was Yapp supposed to feel?
I couldn’t read your wall of text but just read the first few sentences and from those I gathered that;
A player made a foul, the referee failed to call it, the player himself didn’t admit to it, the other player fell victim for it and lost a major title. But suddenly I am the bad guy?!! Okay good logic buddy
A player made a foul, the referee failed to call it, the player himself didn’t admit to it, the other player fell victim for it and lost a major title. But suddenly I am the bad guy?!! Okay good logic buddy
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Yes I see it. Without this replay I don't think a ref could honestly see it in real time.
I agree completely with your last paragraph tho. That guy is really bad and I know it for fact. I’ve made many posts about it with some live examples. The guy squints to identify a foul when there’s clusters.
In pool you can always identify a foul from the cue ball reaction alone! Honestly if you know pool well enough you know the behavior of the cue ball and its reaction. And if that reaction is weird then it’s a foul. I’m not only talking about double hits btw. This method also solid for when there are two object balls close and you want to know which ball was hit first. You can always tell by what the cue ball does next or how it moves. It’s very clear
And Marcel is very very very bad at it… he squints at the two balls trying to see with his eyes which was hit first. Which is the wrong way of doing it man.
This pretty much is a dead-on bullseye. Agree 100%.
Ref shoulda been standing still ''over'' the shot.
Next time hire one of the PI refs who marks the table when a player is shooting over a ball and watches like a hawk. The reason they do that is to avoid problems with people betting on the rail not only on the match but sometimes on every rack.
That was a tough one to see but that's why the referee is there for.
That was a tough one to see but that's why the referee is there for.
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Cueball Kelly had an instruction when call to judge a hit. He would tell the shooter to shoot it so it can be called. In other words do not shoot a split-hit a 100 mph. If he can't call it he will call it bad. You often see players change a shot because it will be to hard to make it clean.
I believe it is the shooters responsibility. Without a ref it also the other players responsibility to call for someone to watch the hit. Too late after the shot to be yelling "Foul".
I would hate to be a ref making that close a call that could completely change the outcome.
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If you take an index card and cover it from different angles just concentrating on the edges of the 9 ball. You can see it rock
I was minding my own business watching a 14.1 match. A guy played safe and barely moved the object ball. Opponent asked me if it was a good hit. I said yes and he gave me a look. Calling hits is not my favorite thing to do.
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I'm almost 80 and have been playing all my life. I can remember when I was like 16 asked to judge a frozen ball in a billiard game. I called it frozen. The guy who said it wasn't accused me of moving the ball as I was shading it with my hand to see better. I learned minding my own business a long time ago.
You know what's funny as long ago as that was I actually remember who it was that was yelling at me. He was an old time player some people on here may even remember. A guy named Harry Cohen. He actually dropped it in the pool room.
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There appears to be a foul at the presented speed. If you go frame by frame, there is no movement by contact. The clip is closer to magic than foul.
someone who was there sitting in front of the shot "Not behind yapp" saw it and thought it was a foul too before coming here to see the posts, so yeah its not something we came up with just ourselves.
Pun intended
️why would you go frame by frame, you do realize that videos are not how you perceive things like in reality, videos are nothing but motion pictures, so if one frame where you see it moving & the cue is away from the 9ball -- that does NOT mean that he didn't touch it man, its a picture that is moving, picture after picture after picture. You gotta see the whole thing.
And to add to this the movement of the 9ball will happen obviously AFTER when he struck the ball, this is stating the obvious but you seem to want the SAME exact frame to have both where the shaft hits the cueball & where the 9ball is moving, which is a false premises man. Obviously that wouldn't happen because its a motion picture, again the shaft would hit the cueball first in ONE PICTURE, then one or two pictures later as the frame is moving you would see the 9ball moves, thats only logical and it is how it suppose to happen if he fouled, there's noway the 9ball and the shaft both move at the same frame haha, I dunno why i find it funny that you've been mentioning this same thing numerous times thinking you've discovered something.
It wasn't magic, or digital artifacts, or seismic activity, or ghosts. Occam's razor. His cue hit the 9.
Why are we even questioning this? I predict a @dr_dave video by Tuesday at the latest.
For everyone else, maybe next year.