You know what really grinds my gears..?!
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Slinger has some APA stuff I do believe.
Great story, glad I wasn't there with ya or my cane would've been taken as evidence and Tammy wouldn't have me home to cook her dinners. lol. I usually mutter something like "BCA rules?" and if they aren't sure, I explain them briefly, if they don't agree I hear what they play and usually just play their rules....until I win the table.
Great story, glad I wasn't there with ya or my cane would've been taken as evidence and Tammy wouldn't have me home to cook her dinners. lol. I usually mutter something like "BCA rules?" and if they aren't sure, I explain them briefly, if they don't agree I hear what they play and usually just play their rules....until I win the table.
You must be really hard-pressed to play pool if:tjlmbklr said:I have to share this story.
I have always loved a little bit of bar box pool. And I I have always had my favorite bars where I would play.
Well money has been tight so those days are in the past......but every now and then my wife and I will go to have a few and let me shoot some pool.
So we decided to go to my fav. bar that has 4 Valley tables. Normally I would only go on certain days that I know of regulars that are there. But this was an exception. So I found a table with no quarters that was in limbo waiting for it's next competition. It was a local couple and they were pleased to have my friend and I play doubles with them (which BTW I hate doubles).
We were playing for a buck a person. Now normally when playing bar box 8ball especially for money I lay down ground rules.
I should have know this douche bag was a tool when I was shooting my 2nd to last ball and going for a break out on the 7ball that was tied up with the 8ball. Well Suffice to say I tied them up worse. So whats a man to do. He's got 3 balls all hangers and I had no shot what so ever. So I played a legitimate nudge on the 7 and made sure the placement of the CB was to leave him with a very difficult out.
So can anyone guess what kind of comment he had after I played this legit shot was? Yep you guessed it. I won't use the term he used to describe my shot because it is a bit racist.....you know the one. :slap:
Whatever I let it slide and should have stopped playing after that game.
So we win our first 2 games and it wasn't even great pool I was missing every second ball I shot at (I blame not having my 3142 shaft and using a warped bar cue :thumbup.
So this guy is already getting on my nerves, not because he was an ass, but because he was being too complimentary. Saying things like wow you guys are really good shots, and we appreciate you letting us play.....Ok whatever man.
So anyway we win another game and at this point it was just friendly no cash. My partner breaks and follows up his first shot with what ever ball he wants since he made something on the break....right. Now I know every bar in every city across the world has there own rules for bar box 8ball. This goes back to the beginning of my story; always lay down ground rules. :nono:
Right away the other guy after my partners 3rd shot says "hey you made a solid on the break, why you shooting at stripes?"
Oh boy here we go!
"Sorry man" I said, "that's how we play". He wouldn't have it, saying he NEVER heard of this. I should have just said "when it's your table we'll play your rules"
"What" I said. I know that rules should be clarified but I know several people that play this way. I even added I play in many tournaments and league every Tuesday that this is the rule. Nope his drunk dumb ass wouldn't have it.
So here I have too much pride to let it go. I decided to use the wonderful world of technology and bring up BCA rules on my phone. Nope this didn't work he refused to read them....Anyway the game goes on.
So here's the part that really pissed me and my group of friends off. His wife, girlfriend whatever comes up to me trying to be the mediator and kind of friendly like hugs me and says "It's all good we're hear just to have fun" I agreed and turned back towards the table. He was shooting, stops walks over to her and says "don't you ever side with someone else" (which she wasn't anyway) then he smacks her!
Yep, spousal abuse one table over. Now at this point my hatred for his lack of pool now has turned into hatred for be a f*#king jerk.
So he spends about 10mins schmoozing his girl and apologizing.
We were so fed up with him we let him win, then to spite him once he finally won we said we were done playing.
Sorry so long, I am good for one long story every now and again....
TJ
a) you are willing to play in a bar
b) you play on a table that takes coins
c) you play doubles pool with other couples (the worst kind of team sports)
d) you tolerate this person as long as you did
e) you continue to play after his racist comment
f) you knew he was drunk but continued to play anyway
g) and you played knowing the money was not worth your while, and you clearly were not having fun
Hope you learned your lesson...
I would rather do without than deal with that.
inside_english said:You must be really hard-pressed to play pool if:
a) you are willing to play in a bar
b) you play on a table that takes coins
c) you play doubles pool with other couples (the worst kind of team sports)
d) you tolerate this person as long as you did
e) you continue to play after his racist comment
f) you knew he was drunk but continued to play anyway
g) and you played knowing the money was not worth your while, and you clearly were not having fun
Hope you learned your lesson...
I would rather do without than deal with that.
No not exactly, I didn't learn my lesson. What are you a Mormon?
I am from Milwaukee. walk 2 blocks in any direction you are sure to see a bar. Sooooo someone being drunk........kind of a normal thing.
So
a) I LOVE to play in bars! Especially ones I have been to dozens of times without any issues.
b) Coins; yes that is what we call them hear in WI too...COINs it's what makes the 15 balls fall into that slot on the end of the table (that kind of table that is)
c) This one does kind of suck but like I mentioned; not the normal day I would play there when I know doubles can be avoided...but that is also a regular thing in bars here in WI.
d) Who said i tolerated anything. I was at my table with my group of friends and he was at his.
e) It was his racist comment not mine.
f) Um...no comment ^^^READ ABOVE^^^. What do you think happens at bars?
g) Fun is my Chinese neighbors middle name...opps was that racist? Of course I was having fun! I usually play for nothing more then the fun of the game and the pride of winning the table.
"I would rather do without than deal with that."
So in other words never leave the house because you may run into a douche bag! It was my night to have fun and that's what I did.
Where you from anyway?!
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bump!
I guess Inside_English is from a dry state...
I guess Inside_English is from a dry state...
inside_english said:You must be really hard-pressed to play pool if:
a) you are willing to play in a bar
b) you play on a table that takes coins
c) you play doubles pool with other couples (the worst kind of team sports)
d) you tolerate this person as long as you did
e) you continue to play after his racist comment
f) you knew he was drunk but continued to play anyway
g) and you played knowing the money was not worth your while, and you clearly were not having fun
Hope you learned your lesson...
I would rather do without than deal with that.
A. Who cares if it is a bar? Most pool halls serve hard alcohol anyways. You know you can drink soda at a bar.
B. What with the hate on a coin-op table? It is still pool and they work fine.
Here is an odd rule... 8 Ball - drop the 8 on the break and it's a loss. Say what?!?! House rules, which are actually posted on the wall. Oh yeah, if a ball leaves the table you have to put a dollar in the Juke
Lets just say that my breaks aren't what they could be when I play there.
Lets just say that my breaks aren't what they could be when I play there.
Judging from the tone of your post it sounded like you were pretty ticked off, hence my stating the trouble was not worth it in the end.tjlmbklr said:No not exactly, I didn't learn my lesson. What are you a Mormon?
I am from Milwaukee. walk 2 blocks in any direction you are sure to see a bar. Sooooo someone being drunk........kind of a normal thing.
So
a) I LOVE to play in bars! Especially ones I have been to dozens of times without any issues.
b) Coins; yes that is what we call them hear in WI too...COINs it's what makes the 15 balls fall into that slot on the end of the table (that kind of table that is)
c) This one does kind of suck but like I mentioned; not the normal day I would play there when I know doubles can be avoided...but that is also a regular thing in bars here in WI.
d) Who said i tolerated anything. I was at my table with my group of friends and he was at his.
e) It was his racist comment not mine.
f) Um...no comment ^^^READ ABOVE^^^. What do you think happens at bars?
g) Fun is my Chinese neighbors middle name...opps was that racist? Of course I was having fun! I usually play for nothing more then the fun of the game and the pride of winning the table.
"I would rather do without than deal with that."
So in other words never leave the house because you may run into a douche bag! It was my night to have fun and that's what I did.
Where you from anyway?!
No, I don't know anything about where you're from.
I am from Baltimore.
And I am as far away from a Mormon as you can imagine.
And bar tables usually suck which was why I mentioned the coins...thanks for the education though.
Carry on...
Hate?TheNewSharkster said:
Oh...never mind!
I love to play "bar rules" pool. I can use your balls against you as well as mine. In fact, I dont have to even hit a ball unless I am shooting on the eight ball in most instances. I always clarify the rules prior to the break when playing for money. I typically will ask to play "straight in no slop", bank the eight, or last pocket if playing a "banger". Then the only clarification is whether it is open on the break or a loss if you scratch upon attempting the eight. Anyone who is a league or tourney player I simply state BCA rules and we proceed from there. Simple enough... I have heard the remarks regarding my safety play on more than one occasion...I simply let them know that I will play within the rules that are established and beat them by any means necessary. Some will say that is not necessary when playing for control of the table. However, I typically respond with "Well, unless you have a key to get the balls out for free, we are playing for 75 cents or a dollar...whatever the cost of the table...and I am not in the habit of giving my money away." I have no problem with offending other players and having them make rude remarks. I do not like to lose. You show me a player who says they do not care if they win or lose and I will show you a loser....
TXsouthpaw said:beat em by theyre own rules. it makes it that much sweeter. If you beat em by your rules then they think that you can only win playing your way. Beat em at theyre own game, thats the only way to do it.
But that gives you the opportunity to win twice as much...
First, you play by your rules and win. They think you can only win by your rules so then you play their rules and win. You've won twice as much
You can also work this endlessly if you want to. Like: "Okay, I never played bank the 8, so let's just play straight in." Then if they agree, make sure you keep leaving yourself easy straight in 8s. Soon they'll be wanting to play 'bank the 8'. Which not only favors the stronger player, but makes it almost impossible for the weaker player to win. "oh please don't throw me in that briar patch"
The way I used to work it was if I played in a pool hall with bar tables and big tables I'd insist on playing on the barbox first. I'd start warming up there. If I beat them there, I could almost count on them wanting to 'get off the toy table so we can see if you can make all those crazy shots on a PRO ( ;-) ) table.'
I believe they usually ended up losing about twice as much as if we had started on the big table.
Of course that works the other way too. Start on the big table with a weaker player and they'll be begging you to get on the box, especially if you keep leaving them long, straight in shots and they keep missing.
~rc
Patrick53212 said:
I'm with Hu on this one. That takes all the fun out of it. I like to figure out the rules as I go and if they 'correct' me I just move on. I'm not playing strangers in a bar for a lot of money anyway usually, so I have time to work it out and if I do lose a few $$$ usually I come out way ahead in the long run because they appreciate that I was willing to learn/play by their rules and be a good sport about it. Generally I have a lot more fun and win more money or drinks this way.
I've found that trying to establish rules in an establishment where you're an outsider can be tedious at best and dangerous at worst. I'd rather go with the flow.
Asking key questions and paying attention to the answers is important too.
For example, after making a ball on the break I might say "Okay, so I'm solids right?" They will usually say "No, it's open." Or "Yeah dumbass, you made a solid didn't you"
Same thing when there's a foul. If they don't hand me the CB after a foul I just shoot where it is. Later if they take ball in hand I just note that we're playing BIH.
Early on, I always try to look like I'm trying to hit the OB. If they play some safeties on me I will start playing some back ONLY IF I NEED TO. Most of the time I'll just let them think I don't know they are playing safe and keep looking like I'm trying to run out everything. Most random bar players can be beat by running out against them while they're trying to play safe.
And they'll be convinced that they are better and your luck is going to break sooner or later. More money for you.
~rc
This past Tuesday night...
Well, I generally take what I make when it is established that we are playing straight in no slop (or for that matter any other rules with the exception of ball-in-hand variations).
This past Tuesday, I had a fish on the line. I think I took him for about $60 or $70 (after expenses) by fives and tens. We were drinking and of course I was acting a bit more drunk than I was at the time. I also would lay down intentionally by making it look like I was trying to legitimately make a shot. However, there were a couple of games where he had gotten a lucky leave and had the pocket I needed blocked. I just straight up shot his ball dead in the hole without even trying to not be obvious. It left him stuck and he was definitely pissed. He of course used some choice words and phrases about that move and me. I played it off of course and continued to beat him. At one point, I had a shot where I could have played my ball off of his but chose to make his ball with mine and leave him hooked, as my run out was very questionable... He had asked me as I was stroking the ball if I was playing it off his ball...I kinda paused and looked back with a half smile and said, yeah..off your ball. After the shot, he laughed and said he knew something was up when I looked back and said that. I started off losing the first three games to this guy for a drink each time.... Then he wanted to play for $5. Then for $10....the last one was for $20. He did not win a game after we started playing for the cash. Of course I did buy him a shot afterwards as well!
sixpack said:I'm with Hu on this one. That takes all the fun out of it. I like to figure out the rules as I go and if they 'correct' me I just move on. I'm not playing strangers in a bar for a lot of money anyway usually, so I have time to work it out and if I do lose a few $$$ usually I come out way ahead in the long run because they appreciate that I was willing to learn/play by their rules and be a good sport about it. Generally I have a lot more fun and win more money or drinks this way.
I've found that trying to establish rules in an establishment where you're an outsider can be tedious at best and dangerous at worst. I'd rather go with the flow.
Asking key questions and paying attention to the answers is important too.
For example, after making a ball on the break I might say "Okay, so I'm solids right?" They will usually say "No, it's open." Or "Yeah dumbass, you made a solid didn't you"
Same thing when there's a foul. If they don't hand me the CB after a foul I just shoot where it is. Later if they take ball in hand I just note that we're playing BIH.
Early on, I always try to look like I'm trying to hit the OB. If they play some safeties on me I will start playing some back ONLY IF I NEED TO. Most of the time I'll just let them think I don't know they are playing safe and keep looking like I'm trying to run out everything. Most random bar players can be beat by running out against them while they're trying to play safe.
And they'll be convinced that they are better and your luck is going to break sooner or later. More money for you.
~rc
Well, I generally take what I make when it is established that we are playing straight in no slop (or for that matter any other rules with the exception of ball-in-hand variations).
This past Tuesday, I had a fish on the line. I think I took him for about $60 or $70 (after expenses) by fives and tens. We were drinking and of course I was acting a bit more drunk than I was at the time. I also would lay down intentionally by making it look like I was trying to legitimately make a shot. However, there were a couple of games where he had gotten a lucky leave and had the pocket I needed blocked. I just straight up shot his ball dead in the hole without even trying to not be obvious. It left him stuck and he was definitely pissed. He of course used some choice words and phrases about that move and me. I played it off of course and continued to beat him. At one point, I had a shot where I could have played my ball off of his but chose to make his ball with mine and leave him hooked, as my run out was very questionable... He had asked me as I was stroking the ball if I was playing it off his ball...I kinda paused and looked back with a half smile and said, yeah..off your ball. After the shot, he laughed and said he knew something was up when I looked back and said that. I started off losing the first three games to this guy for a drink each time.... Then he wanted to play for $5. Then for $10....the last one was for $20. He did not win a game after we started playing for the cash. Of course I did buy him a shot afterwards as well!
Liquor, ignorance, ego, stupidity and no respect or knowledge of the game...put em together and this will happen almost every time.
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Smartest post in this thread. You just have to be aware of your surroundings, the rules, and your money. Pretty decent money can be made in bars, if you play it the right way.Island Drive said:
Gregg said:Are you trying to insult my local APA league
BTW...you misspelled ignorance and knowledge. Just sayin'. :thumbup:
Oops mental spell ck repaired....2-14@ 9:20am MST thx :thumbup: :thumbup: