Yep. Spot on. :yeah:
You say APA is for bangers?
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Yep. Spot on. :yeah:
all of you apa bashers have me puzzled about something.
you state apa invokes the 23 rule to break up teams when players s/l goes up creating a pyramid scheme creating more teams thus creating more profit. i do not agree with that but for the sake of arguement lets say you are right.
you also state the apa is not designed to improve players s/l thus they will always be bangers. i do not agree with that but again for the sake of arguement lets say you are right.
now i dont claim to be a rocket scientist but i am smart enough to know both of those arguments concerning apa can not be correct.
it just puzzles the heck out of me how a league that is just for bangers and does nothing to improve a players skill level.
yet you have players who are raised in skill level causing teams to go over the 23 rule.
care to explain to me how you can be right about both claims because it just dont add up to me.
you state apa invokes the 23 rule to break up teams when players s/l goes up creating a pyramid scheme creating more teams thus creating more profit. i do not agree with that but for the sake of arguement lets say you are right.
you also state the apa is not designed to improve players s/l thus they will always be bangers. i do not agree with that but again for the sake of arguement lets say you are right.
now i dont claim to be a rocket scientist but i am smart enough to know both of those arguments concerning apa can not be correct.
it just puzzles the heck out of me how a league that is just for bangers and does nothing to improve a players skill level.
yet you have players who are raised in skill level causing teams to go over the 23 rule.
care to explain to me how you can be right about both claims because it just dont add up to me.
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I never made that claim nor have I heard of it locally. I'm actually going to be playing in a summer apa 9 ball league. I think the format seems interesting and could be fun. I have no interest nor will I ever play in a apa 8 ball league. I'm not going to play in a league where they don't require players to at least call ball and pocket. I just feel personally it lessons the game. Isn't 8 ball easy enough ? lol anyway that's just my personal feelings so I avoid it.
As one player sat on the royal throne, the other player was king of the table.
lorider, I'm not an APA basher. Never played APA and don't get involved in the pile-ons concerning it either. But to answer your question, some players will get better regardless of how the APA or any other league is formatted. Some because they practice and work on their games and others because they start out low or unskilled and regular weekly play makes them better, at least to a point.
BTW, in spite of what anyone says I just don't see how the APA can be considered a pyramid scheme when the member is receiving consideration for their money.
To the OP, your bro Gabe actually finished the USBTC 10 Ball event tied for 5th, not 7th.
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You won't play a game where you don't have to call a ball and a pocket, but you're gonna play 9-ball?
Yes, you do have to hit the lowest numbered ball first, but after that, any hole will do. Any ball will do. even the 9-ball.
At least in 8-ball, you have to call (or mark) the pocket on the 8. In 9-ball, if it goes in any fashion other than a scratch, hooray!
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That's always been my big confusion here about people complaining about "slop". They will go on and on about it, then talk about how they love playing 9-ball for money. 9-ball is a bigger slop game than APA 8-ball, at least to this banger. (This banger who doesn't see much slop in games involving SL4's and up... very, very few instances.)
Yea but 9 ball you have To at least play rotation... 8 ball is any order you choose. Now that I went from playing all 8 ball to all 9 and 10 ball except bca league night I'm running ALOT more tables! 8 ball just feel easy . I would like to see 9 ball go back to the original rules of being a call pocket game instead of the Texas express rules everyone plays by now.
If a lot of practice and drive will make you a better player then it shouldn't make a difference what league a player is in. You can play TAP, BCA, APA, etc and get your ass kicked because you don't put in enough work to better yourself or you can practice and be as strong as you can get. That being said, if you get stronger in APA you do have to deal with the 23 rule.
I have to hand it to the APA though...first, a great business model....second, great for pool. I can't believe how many people are playing pool and support the game now and it's quite obvious that APA has been a huge boost......it's unreal !
That's not to say that other leagues have not also helped the game but APA is pretty darn great for the game in my opinion...It wasn't designed as a system to develop pros anyway. Sure, I think all leagues have flaws and APA is certainly not immune but it's hard to bad mouth it really.
Joey ran 7 and out in vegas. I was there.
Don't know anything about the opponent being in the bathroom.
Its good to be KING.
I don't say the APA is for bangers. It's also for good players to don't try to win in order keep their handicaps low. I doubt there is a single team out there that has not told their top players "don't try to win too hard" or "extend your innings so you don't go up".
I play even with guys at tournaments that say they are a 4-5-6 in the APA where they should clearly be 7+
I guess the "APA is for cheats and bangers".
I play even with guys at tournaments that say they are a 4-5-6 in the APA where they should clearly be 7+
I guess the "APA is for cheats and bangers".
I would caution you on using superlatives about this topic or any other thing in life really. I can tell you for a fact that OUR team promotes playing as strong as you can; rankings be damned. We play to improve and have fun as a team. I play as an 8 and 7 in nine and eight respectively and have never laid down. Hence my ranking. Yes I give up weight to 6's that should be seven's sometimes, but so be it. If the scorekeeper knew how to actually mark safeties, wouldn't even be an issue.
Another player told me last week how his TAP league captain asks him to sandbag all the time to keep his handicap low. Let's face it dude -- cheats are in EVERY pool league, and you know what -- in life in general! I choose not to associate with those cheaters in pool or life. :thumbup:
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I've never told my teammates either of those. Practicing being worse will not make you better. Anybody can make any excuse they want, it all comes down to whether or not you want to improve and are willing to put forth the effort.
Are you one of those BCA players that likes to poke at the APA, but "play even" with 4s and 5s? I play both and people with mindsets like that are a dime a dozen. Most couldn't max out their handicap if they tried.
Bullspit.
I've been on 5 or 6 different teams, co-captained a couple, and this has NEVER happened.
Perhaps you only know and/or associate with people inclined to cheat?
I played APA for about 2.5 years now and I'm on my last session with APA. It was great at first but as I improve my skills I started getting all the talks from the captain to play low and not try to win. I hated this but I looked around and realized if I go up again another level, my team will not even have a chance at the city wide due to 23 rule:angry::angry:
The other annoying thing I get is that when I played well and won big, most people would tap on my shoulder and joked about "me sandbagging". I played much better offense than my close to "0" defensive plays so when I have a lights out shooting night, I became a sandbagger.
In general it was APA that got me back into pool after being off for about 11 years. I think it's a great league for lower skill level players who are not seriously seeking improvement. However, I don't think it's a "bangers" league. There are a lot of great players in my local area and they seem to enjoy playing APA. I guess these players enjoy playing APA as a night out with friends, not a way to improve themselves.
Just my $0.02
The other annoying thing I get is that when I played well and won big, most people would tap on my shoulder and joked about "me sandbagging". I played much better offense than my close to "0" defensive plays so when I have a lights out shooting night, I became a sandbagger.
In general it was APA that got me back into pool after being off for about 11 years. I think it's a great league for lower skill level players who are not seriously seeking improvement. However, I don't think it's a "bangers" league. There are a lot of great players in my local area and they seem to enjoy playing APA. I guess these players enjoy playing APA as a night out with friends, not a way to improve themselves.
Just my $0.02
Larry Nevel couldn't play on his wifes APA team because he passed the amount of money allowed to be earned in tour stops, according to our league operator.
I played a season in APA and started, like everybody else, as a 4. The first week the captain, who's otherwise a good guy, told me to keep the inning count up. I'd never played that way and didn't want to play that way so I thought, fck that, and pretty soon I was a 6. Then he asked me to dump a match so I didn't go to a 7 because the math wouldn't work if I was a 7. I flat-out refused. I told him I'd rather not play at all than tank a match.
IMO, you should either play to win or not play, or find a league where your handicap isn't going to prevent you from being able to play. I've played a lot of BCA and never seen any sandbagging. I'm sure it exists but I've never been witness to it.
I realize this is purely anecdotal, a research survey of one.
But I've heard a lot more about sandbagging in the APA than the BCA, probably because of the 23 rule.
If you want a fun, alcohol-fueled night out with the boys and girls, APA is great. But I think there are better ways to improve your game.
IMO, you should either play to win or not play, or find a league where your handicap isn't going to prevent you from being able to play. I've played a lot of BCA and never seen any sandbagging. I'm sure it exists but I've never been witness to it.
I realize this is purely anecdotal, a research survey of one.
But I've heard a lot more about sandbagging in the APA than the BCA, probably because of the 23 rule.
If you want a fun, alcohol-fueled night out with the boys and girls, APA is great. But I think there are better ways to improve your game.