You think of rattling....and you DO!!!

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OK- I have been dogging some easy outs lately. Although I havent played in years and was playing for not much at all...I hate when you think you will rattle an easy ball, you stroke it, and it rattles just like you "imagined" :(

Or you think what if I dont get out, its to easy..did this about three times tonight..need to get that negative thinking out of the way!!

any tips...:)
 
when i was younger 18-28 I never rattled, but I would miss key shots and not get out sometimes or miss a 9 ball, i was easily distracted, either by something in the pool room or noise in my brain, it was never out of fear of losing so I never looked at as rattling-I have made people do that, there are alot of ways to do that with out who your playing, and they start rattleing and not know why, when you can do that your fast becomming a player,

now that i'm out of retiremnt and 40 nothing gets to me my mind is calm, and am solid as a rock, no distractions or ratteling the 9 ball is as easy as the 5 ball, they are just shots and balls, my mind is quite and nothing bothers me, I can lose 10 games in a row AND DONT CARE, I take as part of the game and go about my business, I wish I had this maturity when I was younger, learn how to rattle people and not rattle and you'll game will go a ball or 2 depending how easily you rattle now. Look at Efren when he is losing he dosent rattle, sure we make mistakes missing ball in hand but things happen.
 
If it enters your mind get up and clear it and "imagine" it going dead center of the pocket. Never shoot the shot thinking anything but good things. If you think you are going to miss you will. Confidence IMO is the key to running out consistently. When I miss it is because I was not ready to shoot the shot, I was too busy thinking I could miss the shot because it was a little difficult instead of just aiming and concentrating on pocketing the ball pure. It is true, there have been times recently when I was in dead stroke for about an hour or so and suddenly am faced with a hard shot down the rail where I have a small angle to go across to the other side of the table. I then realize "hmm I haven't missed a ball in an hour, I might rattle this" then before I know it BAM! :eek: a rattle snake bites me in the face. Clear your mind of negativity, don't shoot until you see/feel the shot, never miss. It's that simple :) ;) :p

Eric.
 
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My tip,
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER let the other person that you are playing know that you are R A T T L E D because that's when they go in for the KILL! Take a bathroom break, wash your face and hands off with cold water and regain your composure. Good Luck...
 
The mind is a funny thing. It will take any event or possible event that it feels requires your attention to the forefront of your thoughts.

It doesn't matter if it's the last ball on the table, a required position zone, or your opponent sharking you. If the mind deems that its important by gosh you are thinking about it whether you like it or not.

Sometimes the stupidest thoughts will float into our minds that we can't believe they just popped up. But guess what? You have to deal with each and every thought because it will not go away unless you do.

If I say, "Pink Elephant" you just can't forget those words no matter how hard you try. You have to ask yourself and answer truthfully to yourself why does this concern me?

Example: In a short nine ball race to seven your down 4-5. If he wins this game your opponent is on the hill. Your on the last ball. Not an easy shot, but not hard either. The negative thought of your opponent being on the hill if you miss this shot is in your head. Sure you can try and forget about it but you can't forget about it until you confront it.

Like life itself you have to confront your problems.

So you ask yourself, "Why am I so concerned about missing this ball?"

Truthfully you answer yourself, "He's a better player than me. With his safety knowledge coupled with the fact he made the nine on the break and rode the nine in two previous games his chances are very good that he wins this match if he wins this game."

"But I also know that this has always been true from the start. His ability and my chances of winning this match hasn't changed at all. It just seems that way coming down to crunch time. I'm feeling the pressure and thats natural. Also I'm playing good right now, when I make this ball I will have come from behind to knot up the score and he will know he's in a dog fight."


In the end how well you answer your own question determines if you can shake or forget those thoughts.


Lets turn the example above around in that you are the better player and lead 5-4 in a race to seven. You are on a tough eight ball that requires tricky position to get on the nine ball. You get down on your shot when you hear from your opponent, "Wait! Did you just touch the cue ball?" (pregnant pause) "Never mind, I must be seeing things."

Yup, your pissed at this sharking. On top of a tough shot to boot! So you again ask yourself the question, "Why does this sharking concern me so much?"

You answer yourself, "Besides the obvious etiquette infraction that got my blood pressure up he did it for obvious reasons. First of all he knows its a tough shot to make, with tough position to boot. He wants to make this shot even tougher because... he thinks I will make it."

"So I'll wait till my heart rate goes back to normal. Sure he's broken my rhythm and I may feel edgy during this long pause waiting for things to return to normal. But he is a little more edgy than me right now. His etiquette blunder is equal to him pissing himself in public. I shouldn't feel angry at him right now, I should feel sorry for him acting a fool to make up for his poor billiard prowess."

"Ok, I'll rethink the whole shot sequence over in my normal preshot routine and put him out of his misery when I'm ready..."

It's always a mind game. How well we deal with our thoughts puts our game in a position to take care of itself without interference. It's a thinking mans game isn't it!?
 
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Try refocusing your concentration on where exactly the cue ball will end up. Which side of your next shot and how smoothly it will roll there.

You may not achieve the destination exactly, but the ball you were shooting will be in and done with before you realize it.
 
Here is an excerpt from my book (Building The Perfect Game) that offers advice to deal with situations such as this:

Most importantly, you need to be aware of your perfectionistic beliefs. Notice where they start, where they are leading, and where they end. When you are experiencing stress, depression, or anxiety, write down a description of the event and then record a list of your thoughts related to the event. It is my suggestion that you keep a diary or journal.

For example: You are going to play in a tournament and you are feeling anxious. The thoughts you write may be similar to the following: “What if I blow this match? I never do well. I’ll never amount to anything in pool. As a pool player, I’m just a failure. I may as well not even try. So and so always wins, I never do.” These are examples of what perfectionist thoughts do inside our head. Remember that negative thoughts breed more negative thoughts. Positive thoughts breed just as quickly.

Once you begin to examine your thoughts on a regular basis, it will be difficult to ignore the thought process that contributes to your experience of stress, depression, or anxiety. After you become aware of these thoughts, you want to examine them and determine the irrational ideas they may contain. For instance, in the above example, the individual is engaging in catastrophic thinking, all or nothing thinking, and hopelessness.

Catastrophic thinking occurs when a person thinks that the worst possible thing will happen. It can often be distinguished by “what if” questions. All or nothing thinking, common for perfectionists, is the belief that everything can be categorized as opposites--good/bad, black/white--with no shades of gray. Therefore, a person either succeeds or fails; there are no degrees of success.

All or nothing thinking can often be detected by use of the words always or never. Hopelessness is the irrational belief that the person already knows the future outcome of his or her action and has no control over future events, and therefore, need not attempt to change the situation.

Once you have determined your irrational thinking pattern, it is time to challenge and change the beliefs that add to your stress and anxiety level. This is what leads to fear, anxiety and guilt, and this is where we can put out those flames of negativity. If you have correctly identified the irrational beliefs, you can challenge them directly.

For instance, with catastrophic thinking, you can state, “The worst possible thing is not the thing likely to happen.” For all or nothing thinking, you can state, “It is not true that I always fail." For thoughts that put down your faith in yourself, you can say - "I am capable of winning. I have all of the talent and skill necessary to be successful.”

Our perfectionist thinking and patterns did not occur overnight. This flaw in our attitude will not be changed overnight. It will take a lot of practice, a lot of repitition. These positive statements must be used to counteract the negative statements. You have to tilt the scales in the favor of the positive. This means that you must be more positive than you were negative in your thinking. You must use these positive statements frequently and cosistently in order for the change to take place.

Finally, the strongest challenge to irrational beliefs is opposing experiential evidence. In other words, you want to experience making mistakes as a POSITIVE influence in your development as a player. Making mistakes gives us the opportunity to learn and to grow. As you overcome your fear of making mistakes, you will be able to take risks. The ability to take risks is what allows a person to be successful in any endeavor. Nothing risked, nothing gained. That is so true with pool and with life.

One way to experience mistakes is taking the opportunity to deliberately make them. First of all, identify situations that are fearful for you such as missing a pocket hanger, or miscueing on the break. Then, deliberately engage in the behavior while using rational self-statements to help yourself cope with the situation. One thing to remember in this process is that what one person may consider a mistake, may not bother another person. The most important thing is to face the challenges of pool by risking mistakes. In doing so, you will become more self-confident and will be able to accomplish more because your fears will not inhibit your playing or your mental attitude.

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I basically agree with Blackjack but would add a couple of things. First the approach to the game has to be consistent, whatever that means to you. For me pool is a learning experience and I see each shot as a way of learning more about the game. So long as I stay in this mode I do not get rattled.

It takes a considerable amount of effort and practice to lead to one consistent attitude when playing and to turn it on and off as needed. I am not saying that “my” attitude is the correct one. There are many other ways to play. What is needed is one solid approach that tends to become automatic whenever you approach the table.

I had a “situation” the other day playing with a fellow I just met and whose company I was thoroughly enjoying as we played on his table. I missed a few shots that I did not think that I should miss and then started bearing down. Well to make a long story short, the next day I realized what I did. To really concentrate and get my stroke back in line, I pulled out an old (bad) habit and placed my rear foot further under the cue stick than I should for my style of play. This bad habit led to poor follow through and many rattled pockets.

I did not take the time to stop and think through what was wrecking my stroke and it just kept deteriorating for the rest of the night. The more I concentrated the worse it got. Lucky for me, I figured out what I did the next day and hopefully it won’t happen again.

The point here is that we all need some way to get back to basics quickly in an extended match (four five hours of play). I am not sure how to do this yet but will think about it some more.

The problem here is that my subconscious in its attempt to help reverted to an older bad habit that actually was not helpful but was detrimental to my game. We all have these old bad habits and need to find a way to not pull them out when the pressure builds. In this situation I am talking about self imposed pressure. We were playing a friendly game but I wanted to play well and that was the beginning of the problem. Hmm

My comments are made from the point of view of a psychologist not a pro player so they are worth what you paid
 
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Blackjack’s perfectionist problem has a several standard approaches to treatment in psychotherapy. The one he describes is often referred to as implosion therapy. That is, blow the problem out of the water by imagining the worst case scenario. It works well when you follow all of the catastrophic thinking to its logical conclusion and then learn to laugh at it. This is a style or attitudinal approach that takes some practice and application, as he describes. This needs to be followed by an alternate solution to the problem, such as adopting another more productive thought process. The replacement attitude is the long term solution.

If I lose this my friends will think I am an idiot..
I can see them all standing there pointing their fingers at me and laughing.
I am an idiot in many things– so what else is new.
I see me laughing too.

Now that everyone knows I am an idiot I can just be me.

Who am I???????
 
OK, I think I have a solution for those who care to hear it. Most of us are not pros and we are constantly changing our game to make it better. That is part of what makes it fun.

At some point I need to say to my self, “This is my ‘A’ stroke as of today.” Now I have my “A” stroke and I have the things I am experimenting with. In a match where I am likely to feel the pressure I need to bring out, and stay with the “A” stroke. This is not the time to experiment. So here is what I propose, for me and anyone else who finds that their game seems to deteriorate at the worst of times.

When I have the stroke perfected as well as I can get it or I am at least happy with it. I will play for 30 minutes or so with the “A” stroke – it is my best effort so far. Every time I walk to the table I will play the stroke I have decided on. If the shot is "right" i will say “A stroke” or some such for about 30 shots or so. Then I will say “A stroke” every other shot for 30 minutes or so. This will be repeated for a few days – lets say three days or so. BTW, it is important to say "A stroke" as the ball goes into the pocket. That is called classical conditioning and it works.

Now when I feel the pressure or my game seems to go bad I say “A stroke” and go for it. The rest of my playing and messing around is for the practice table.

I think that this should put the “A” stroke in the subconscious until such time as I decide to change it. I suspect that it will need reinforcing every few weeks for three months or so to make it permanent.

Now, if I ever get to Pro level …
 
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nthamix said:
My tip,
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER let the other person that you are playing know that you are R A T T L E D because that's when they go in for the KILL! Take a bathroom break, wash your face and hands off with cold water and regain your composure. Good Luck...


I agree, if you get unbalanced, take a break, take another look at the shot, or something. Try to get back into focus. I agree with everyone on here. There is some very good points on here. I got the book called "a mind for pool; how to master the mental game" its pretty good. But I think the most important thing for you to do it practice. Go out and compeate and when you start getting rattled then have a plan ready to get unrattled, keep doing it over and over, then when your playing for 10k you will be able to keep your cool.:D
 
thanks everyone for the great info. Hopefully this thread ends up helping all of us on the board in one way or another...one small tip of advice can go a long way :D
 
This is one reason I try to spend time with every student discussing visualization. Good or bad, your body tends to do what your brain is telling it to do. If the last thought you have before shooting is "rattling" there is a very good chance that is what is going to happen. On the other hand, if you visualize the ball dropping in the middle of the pocket, your odds of making it increase.
If your last thought before shooting is "I hope I don't scratch", what is the last word your brain picked up? What is likely to happen?
Positive thoughts lead to positive results.
Steve
 
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