Your Choice Of Rubber

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And I don't mean Trojans either....Regardless of what table you currently own or play on regularly, if you absolutely needed new rubber on your rails, what would you go with between Superspeed or Accufast and why? All pool table mechanics are definitely welcome on this one as well as players.
 
DM, I was consulting with Oscar and Ernesto last night.
They highly recommend the Artemis. I brought up the Accufast's name. Oscar said on Accufast rubber, when the ball is going in at 5 MPH, it rebounds at 7 MPH. They stopped using it after one installation. I even offered to supply the rubber.
They still recommended the Artemis. They do not recommend the Superspeed as it gets hard in a short time.
 
JoeyInCali said:
DM, I was consulting with Oscar and Ernesto last night.
They highly recommend the Artemis. I brought up the Accufast's name. Oscar said on Accufast rubber, when the ball is going in at 5 MPH, it rebounds at 7 MPH. They stopped using it after one installation. I even offered to supply the rubber.
They still recommended the Artemis. They do not recommend the Superspeed as it gets hard in a short time.
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Ernesto put Atremis on my Olhausen a few months ago - it is fantastic. We discussed the various choices. Oscar and Ernesto don't try to push anything on anyone, they just kept saying that the German was the best. The rails are silky smooth, medium fast, never "boingy". This allows you to fine tune for maximum contol. Banking is a dream - the balls doin't go airborne off the rails.

You can get spoiled playing on tables with these rails. My Olhausen now plays exactly the same as the Gold Crowns he set up for Hollywood Billiards. Fantastic. I almost never want to leave my table.

Chris
 
JoeyInCali said:
Oscar said on Accufast rubber, when the ball is going in at 5 MPH, it rebounds at 7 MPH. .
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Joey,
You know this is IMPOSSIBLE, otherwise the cue ball would just keep accelerating until it approaches the speed of light. Harnessing this power would solve the world's energy problems. :) :)

Having said that, my old table had Accufast cushions, my new table is a GCIV (new from factory, I don't know the type of rubber). I vastly prefer the GCIV over the Accufast - the pro's that have played on both of my tables all prefer the GCIV cushions as being much more consistent.
 
Ribbed for her pleasure.

I own a Diamond Pro. What type of rubber do they install on their tables? I once put new rubber on an old AMF 9' and bought the rubber from Diamond. Whatever they use seems to work for me.
 
Q Addiction said:
I own a Diamond Pro. What type of rubber do they install on their tables? I once put new rubber on an old AMF 9' and bought the rubber from Diamond. Whatever they use seems to work for me.
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Diamond Pro's come from the factory with Artemis cushions.

Chris
 
Williebetmore said:
Joey,
You know this is IMPOSSIBLE, otherwise the cue ball would just keep accelerating until it approaches the speed of light. Harnessing this power would solve the world's energy problems. :) :)
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It's flubber! I seen it in a movie once. No, twice.
 
Q Addiction said:
I own a Diamond Pro. What type of rubber do they install on their tables? I once put new rubber on an old AMF 9' and bought the rubber from Diamond. Whatever they use seems to work for me.
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Diamond used to have Championship cushions. They switched to Artemis later on.
AMF has the usual rubber made in Asia by DNR if I'm not mistaken.
 
Williebetmore said:
Joey,
You know this is IMPOSSIBLE, otherwise the cue ball would just keep accelerating until it approaches the speed of light. Harnessing this power would solve the world's energy problems. :) :)

Having said that, my old table had Accufast cushions, my new table is a GCIV (new from factory, I don't know the type of rubber). I vastly prefer the GCIV over the Accufast - the pro's that have played on both of my tables all prefer the GCIV cushions as being much more consistent.
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Lower the cushions then tell me it's impossible. :D
I used to play at Kelly Mq's. ALL of their tables were defective. The cushions were low. The balls accelerated off the cushions and hopped on the table. The hops killed the balls' momentum eventually. :D
 
JoeyInCali said:
Lower the cushions then tell me it's impossible. :D
I used to play at Kelly Mq's. ALL of their tables were defective. The cushions were low. The balls accelerated off the cushions and hopped on the table. The hops killed the balls' momentum eventually. :D
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I know it's possible from playing on some guys home table that lives out of state. I scoured that thing to see who the manufacturer was and couldn't find a hint, nor do I know what kind of rubber was on there. But the CB or OB did accelerate coming off at a rate faster than going on. I'd never seen that before and it's tough getting used to it, if at all.

I have an Olhausen with accufast and I kinda thought that the cushions were ultra hot in the beginning, but the table is about a year and a half old now and they seem pretty true and even with rebound. I initially asked this for someone else that I know that needs rubber, but I think I'll have to go with Artemis myself for the future.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Lower the cushions then tell me it's impossible. D
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Joey,
Yes, its still impossible, otherwise you have a perpetual motion machine and you have violated all physical laws of the universe regarding conservation of energy and matter. What you ARE observing (like with a super ball) is a rebound that is much hotter than you expected, and hotter than other cushions so it seems to be very unusual. A radar gun could prove to you that this is impossible (other wise NASA could take this flubber-like cushion and have a man jump up and down repeatedly on it, ending up in orbit without all the wasted expense of a rocket).

P.S. - if you apply a lot of spin to a ball, the spin can catch on the rail and add a little speed to the normal rebound speed of any cushion (as the rotational energy is added to the forward momentum), but I don't think thats what you were referring to.
 
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Williebetmore said:
Joey,
Yes, its still impossible, otherwise you have a perpetual motion machine and you have violated all physical laws of the universe regarding conservation of energy and matter. What you ARE observing (like with a super ball) is a rebound that is much hotter than you expected, and hotter than other cushions so it seems to be very unusual. A radar gun could prove to you that this is impossible (other wise NASA could take this flubber-like cushion and have a man jump up and down repeatedly on it, ending up in orbit without all the wasted expense of a rocket).
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I don't know about NASA doing anything with pool table rubber, but they should get in touch with the pin ball machine manufacturers. Now THAT'S acceleration!
 
Williebetmore said:
Joey,
Yes, its still impossible, otherwise you have a perpetual motion machine and you have violated all physical laws of the universe regarding conservation of energy and matter. What you ARE observing (like with a super ball) is a rebound that is much hotter than you expected, and hotter than other cushions so it seems to be very unusual. A radar gun could prove to you that this is impossible (other wise NASA could take this flubber-like cushion and have a man jump up and down repeatedly on it, ending up in orbit without all the wasted expense of a rocket).

P.S. - if you apply a lot of spin to a ball, the spin can catch on the rail and add a little speed to the normal rebound speed of any cushion (as the rotational energy is added to the forward momentum), but I don't think thats what you were referring to.
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WBM

You are correct....a simple experiment to prove it would be to hold a superball out in front of you and drop it. It will not rebound higher than your hand. The rails simply are not asorbing much of the original energy from the ball. If the ball is accelerating at the time of impact, it can continue to accelerate on the rebound assuming there was only a fractional loss of energy hitting the rail, and this technically means it is still gaining speed. DM, I am not positive, but i think the pinball bumpers are electro-mechanically assisted. OK....back to my rocket design. :)
 
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