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Total_Chaos13

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I dont want to start another bash the apa tread so please keep it civil.

What are your weekly APA fees in your area? Does the bar pay any of them or does the team pay it all? Whats the total team fees and how do you break it up for your team. Lastly what patches does your local apa offer?

The reason I'm posting this is I want to hear what some other APA leagues charge and give as patches. On my local apa forum there is an ongoing discussion with the league operator about pactchs. My local APA doent offer many patches, only 8 on the break, 9 on the snap, break and run for 8 and 9 ball and 20-0 for 9 ball, and some players want them to offer more but he is reluctant to do so stating that the price is too high. Some even suggested paying a few dollars for the patches. I cant see cost being the main factor as I would assume most teams earn less than 8 or 10 or so patches a session per team.

Also if any apa operators or anyone else is willing and can tell me what are all the available patches for apa and their direct cost it would be great.
 
Triad APA- Winston Salem, Greensboro, High Point NC

$7 per match/$35 team, double jeopardy $6 per match/$30 team.
Bars are generally not allowed to pay any dues for teams.

patches: 8&9 on break, 8&9 B&R, 20-0, 5-0 clean sweep, rackless night, MVP (undefeated season with 6 or more matches played), Grand Slam, Captains patches (for early team registration).


Travel award: $8000 per team. normally send 3 8ball & 2 9ball.
 
The league I am on (Ypsilanti, MI) is both 8 & 9-ball, and charges $5per (so if you play only one that night:$5, but if you play both its $10). So all being told, the team pays $50 per week, with 7 teams this session (and 4 others on another night... from what I hear Spring/Summer is smaller). As far as patches, our league offers a few... the first of any patch is free, and the second (or more) of the same patch would be $2, if you want it. Here are the non-tournament ones:

8 ball: 8 ball break, Break and Run, Mini Slam (8ball break and break & run same match), Rackless night (incl. lag), Team patch (5-0 win), I Beat a 6/7 (must be 2SL below)

9 ball: 9 ball break, Break and Run, Mini Slam, 20-0 match, Team patch (5-0 win), I Beat a 8/9 (must be 2SL below)

8 & 9: Grand slam (combines mini slams for both during the same night)
 
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Total_Chaos13 said:
I dont want to start another bash the apa tread so please keep it civil.

What are your weekly APA fees in your area? Does the bar pay any of them or does the team pay it all? Whats the total team fees and how do you break it up for your team. Lastly what patches does your local apa offer?

The reason I'm posting this is I want to hear what some other APA leagues charge and give as patches. On my local apa forum there is an ongoing discussion with the league operator about pactchs. My local APA doent offer many patches, only 8 on the break, 9 on the snap, break and run for 8 and 9 ball and 20-0 for 9 ball, and some players want them to offer more but he is reluctant to do so stating that the price is too high. Some even suggested paying a few dollars for the patches. I cant see cost being the main factor as I would assume most teams earn less than 8 or 10 or so patches a session per team.

Also if any apa operators or anyone else is willing and can tell me what are all the available patches for apa and their direct cost it would be great.
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My area is $8 per player or $40 per team and $60 for Double Jeopardy. We get pins for B & R,'s 8 Off Break and 9 On Snap, plus patches for Grand Slam, Beat a 7 or 9 and 20-0 9-ball win. In addition skill level 7 and 9's get a year dated patch as well.

leagueguy
 
we get 8 and 9 b&r, 8 and 9 on the break, captains patch, grand slam, and pretty much the 8 and 9 patches for higher level tourneys (same patch but marked hlt). fees depend where you play and what division. if the room takes a cut the fees are 45 a team a week (paid by the players who actually play). if the room doesn't it's 35 a team a week paid the same way. masters is 36 a week paid same way (12 a man for the tree man team). i would like to see us get more patches but right now we don't. i can't picture cost being a factor. my company supplies uniforms and some companies request patches. i have a company in miami that can produce as small a run as 100 for less than 2 bucks a patch. i am assuming the lo's have to buy them from the apa which means they are being bought in bulk. and probobly overseas. which means they should be cheap enough to give out every patch offered. seriously, those patches don't go out to the players in bulk. 9 on the snap would be the most given out would be my guess. the rest of them not so much. and in our area if you get the grand slam they only give you that patch, not the four that make it up. imo we pay enough in that the patches should be covered. it's sad enough that they are considered a "perk", the apa should at tleast be liberal with them.
 
I think there are close to a dozen pool halls in the area that have league. I am not positive, but I think there may be some places are more than others, and I also know we get an APA discount for playing double jeopardy matches.(8 & 9 ball on the same night w/ the same team). The fees as I know them are, $7.50 for double jeopardy, $9 for just one of them, and $10 for Masters. All of those fees include a small green fee for the pool hall.

One thing to consider, depending on where in the county you are located could change what the cost is. Lets face it, places like NY City have a much higher cost of living than rural places. Any way you look at it, if there is a practice table available, it can be a pretty cheap way to play a lot of pool in one night.

Oh yeah, forgot to add patches - 8 & 9 on break and 8 & 9 B&R, plus the same 4 for Masters. Also Top Gun patch, Skunk patch for 9-ball 20 - 0, Rackless Patch for 8 ball if you win lag and all games. There are a variety of the previous patches that are offered as "High Level Tournament"" patches if you earn them during a city tournament. Also we get Team Captain patch, SL - 7 patch if held for over a year, and probably a few others I forgot about.
 
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If I remember correctly, our APA league's dues are:

$20 / sesssion / type of game member ship fee -- I play double jeopardy, so it's $40/session.

$2 / game fee ----- my team just pays $20 at the beginning of each session, so we always have a positive balance. It usually works out, that the team has a small carryover, couple bucks or so, to the next session.
 
My league (Illiana APA, based in South Chicago 'burbs and NW Indiana) charges $7 a match, $35 for the team for the night.

The only patch I've ever won is a rackless night, not sure which other ones exist. I'm yet to break and run, and only seem to sink the 8 on the break when I'm playing my wife in our basement!
 
Wow lol. I pay $15 for my entire league season, October through April. Includes all matches/practice time every league night (Thursdays for us), 1 free drink on league night, and the end of the year party that includes all the free food you can eat, and all the free beer you can drink. We have no affiliation with any "organized" league though, and aren't sanctioned by the BCA although we use BCAPL rules. We also aren't handicapped, and have a limited number of teams/spots, so you really have to be able to shoot some pretty good pool for a team to even roster you.

This thread definitely makes me feel better about my league. Had no idea APA leagues were that costly. I guess I'm pretty darn lucky for what I have.

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APA Charlotte Metro

$7 a week p/player, bar pays no dues and I think it's $30 a year. Patches I am a little fuzzy about, but here goes: B&R (8 and 9 ball), 8 on the snap, 9 on the snap, rackless and skunk patch. There might be more, but I am not sure as I never cared if I ever got a patch or not......those are just the ones I have gotten.
 
Baxter said:
Wow lol. I pay $15 for my entire league season, October through April. Includes all matches/practice time every league night (Thursdays for us), 1 free drink on league night, and the end of the year party that includes all the free food you can eat, and all the free beer you can drink. We have no affiliation with any "organized" league though, and aren't sanctioned by the BCA although we use BCAPL rules. We also aren't handicapped, and have a limited number of teams/spots, so you really have to be able to shoot some pretty good pool for a team to even roster you.

This thread definitely makes me feel better about my league. Had no idea APA leagues were that costly. I guess I'm pretty darn lucky for what I have.

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You care to explain how you go someplace and play for 7 months, get 1 free drink per week, a party at the end of the year w/ all you can eat for $15 dollars. Forgive me for being a skeptic, but if it sounds like a DUCK IT'S A DUCK! AND DUDE YOUR QUACKING ALL OVER THE PLACE RIGHT NOW!

But I would be interested in reading your explaination.

Black Cat
 
$25 per year membership fee. (Our club covers this.)

$40 per week per team ($8 per player)

No bar in our area charges table time for leagues, so play is free all night, other than your APA fees. Practice tables available all night.

I don't know all the patches available, I've seen 8 on the break, SL7, Break and run, Champion (for the session). Probably more. Don't play 9-ball so there will be others.

Table time is more expensive for one hour than $8 for a whole night. It is a good deal, even if you never win a dime. Of course you can win some money, too, but that's a whole other thread (or decesaed equine-flogging).
 
Black Cat 5791 said:
Click the link below and you will see all the Patches and Pins that are offered in our area.

http://teamapa.com/custompages/custom_pages.asp?Page_ID=22

Starting in the Fall we will be paying $8.00 dollars per night, per player that plays. Not bad for a night of Fun.

Black Cat
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My thing is our weekly team fees are $30 for 8ball or 9ball, 48 for double jeopardy. Most of the bars pay some percent of the fees, even a few pay all. On all the teams I have played on the most the players payed was 2 per game, the bar payed the rest of the fees.

The few players that have spoken up about the issue want more patches to be available and most are ok with paying 1-2 dollars to get them. As it stands now you will only recivce a patch if you request it. the apa office doesn't just send them out. I can see 9 on the snap being the most given out patch for the league. Below is the response that was posted on my local apa forum by the league operator:

Patches.....If every player earned a patch once a week the costs would be $2200+ per week for patches. We do not offer all of the patches that could be offered due to restraints of spending. This league spends $40,000 a year on trophies. We also try different types of trophies in order to satisfy the most players. I hear of players stockpiling patches and throwing out trophies. This money is totally wasted.

Vegas money, if you read the rulebook you will find that the travel fund is only an assistance fund, it is not meant to cover 100% of your costs. No league in the country pays 100% of the Vegas costs. If we gave any more for the Vegas teams then I would have to give each player a 1099. The players then would be subject to state and federal taxes. In many cases you would lose 35% of what we gave you do to the taxes. In 2012 I have to record every dollar for all three tournaments and if anyone makes $600 I must give them a 1099 (thanks Obama).

We give more to the players than any other league in the country and our league fees are cheaper than most. We struggle to keep your costs down.

We do have team Captain patches, but how many players do you see wear any patch? When was the last time you have seen a team show-up displaying their patches?

Every large tournament that we have we bring extra patches and we announce that we have them. We bring them to make-up for ones we may have missed through out the session. I may receive 6 request the whole weekend for these patches.

I have great concerns of how players think and feel, I too was a player before becoming a league operator. I ask my league operator various question but I never assumed I knew the answers. ​

Right now one of the teams I pay on is a 9 team in-house league. Its DJ so thats 48 per team, 8 teams play a night and the session is 16 weeks long. Thats 6144 dollars taken in my this one Tuesday night DJ league. There are 3 DJ divisions, 2 9 ball and 3 8ball divisions just on Tuesday night. If you assume the minimum of 6 teams thats 23616 in weekly league fees collected just on Tuesday night.

I have no idea there overhead, admin costs, and other things but it seems pretty weak to claim trying to keep costs down by not giving out a 2 dollar patch that people are even willing to pay for.
 
Total_Chaos13 said:
My thing is our weekly team fees are $30 for 8ball or 9ball, 48 for double jeopardy. Most of the bars pay some percent of the fees, even a few pay all. On all the teams I have played on the most the players payed was 2 per game, the bar payed the rest of the fees.

The few players that have spoken up about the issue want more patches to be available and most are ok with paying 1-2 dollars to get them. As it stands now you will only recivce a patch if you request it. the apa office doesn't just send them out. I can see 9 on the snap being the most given out patch for the league. Below is the response that was posted on my local apa forum by the league operator:

Patches.....If every player earned a patch once a week the costs would be $2200+ per week for patches. We do not offer all of the patches that could be offered due to restraints of spending. This league spends $40,000 a year on trophies. We also try different types of trophies in order to satisfy the most players. I hear of players stockpiling patches and throwing out trophies. This money is totally wasted.

Vegas money, if you read the rulebook you will find that the travel fund is only an assistance fund, it is not meant to cover 100% of your costs. No league in the country pays 100% of the Vegas costs. If we gave any more for the Vegas teams then I would have to give each player a 1099. The players then would be subject to state and federal taxes. In many cases you would lose 35% of what we gave you do to the taxes. In 2012 I have to record every dollar for all three tournaments and if anyone makes $600 I must give them a 1099 (thanks Obama).

We give more to the players than any other league in the country and our league fees are cheaper than most. We struggle to keep your costs down.

We do have team Captain patches, but how many players do you see wear any patch? When was the last time you have seen a team show-up displaying their patches?

Every large tournament that we have we bring extra patches and we announce that we have them. We bring them to make-up for ones we may have missed through out the session. I may receive 6 request the whole weekend for these patches.

I have great concerns of how players think and feel, I too was a player before becoming a league operator. I ask my league operator various question but I never assumed I knew the answers. ​

Right now one of the teams I pay on is a 9 team in-house league. Its DJ so thats 48 per team, 8 teams play a night and the session is 16 weeks long. Thats 6144 dollars taken in my this one Tuesday night DJ league. There are 3 DJ divisions, 2 9 ball and 3 8ball divisions just on Tuesday night. If you assume the minimum of 6 teams thats 23616 in weekly league fees collected just on Tuesday night.

I have no idea there overhead, admin costs, and other things but it seems pretty weak to claim trying to keep costs down by not giving out a 2 dollar patch that people are even willing to pay for.
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I'm missing the point of your post.
 
Black Cat 5791 said:
I'm missing the point of your post.
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I was just pointing out that the lo is saying they don't offer all the different patches or offer pins at all due to cost associated with them. Maybe i'm totally off base but I cant see the patches costing more than 1-2 dollars per/ unit and I assume they can be bought in bulk for less. As of right now out lo only offers the 4 most common patches and only one her session per player. The players are willing to pay 2-3 dollars for additional patches but as of now our lo is unwilling to offer this. My issue is that for the amount of money we pay into apa why is our lo unwilling to offer something as simple as a 2 dollar patch that the players want and are willing to pay for.

My reason for this topic was to get an idea of what other apa leagues around offer and some kind of idea as to league fees. I was just curious if we we paying a outrageous amount or underpaying compared to other leagues. I think my lo does a pretty good job running things and has done a lot for the pool community in general. but i also feel he has gotten too big to the point that the local bars are catering to him for fear he will pull apa out of the bar thus hurting their business.
 
I play in the Cranberry division in North West Pennsylvania. We pay 6 dollars a match so a total of 30 every night. The bars in our area dont pay any fees. Its an 8 ball league, so we get patches for rackless night, eight on the break, break and run. Cash payouts for playoff teams and Plaques. Top gun is only awarded to the top male and female players. We send 2 teams to vegas from 10 divisions, with each division averaging about 10 teams usually more.
 
not offered, but thought it was kinda funny....

In 07 at APA team championships (8ball) I won my first match 4-0. The second match I played I broke and ran the first rack, broke, ran a few, ducked, got ball in hand and ran the rest for the 2nd game, made the 8 on the break in the 3rd; and broke and ran the 4th rack but missed an easy 8ball!!! :eek: I lost that game but won the match 4-1 breaking my unbeaten streak (game wise). When I got off the table after the win, there in my seat was a patch waiting for me - I CHOKED ON THE 8 BALL! My team was full of PUNKS....lol :

don't know if I got patches for the "real" accomplishments, but I still have the CHOKED patch in my case
 
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trustyrusty said:
not offered, but thought it was kinda funny....

In 07 at APA team championships (8ball) I won my first match 4-0. The second match I played I broke and ran the first rack, broke, ran a few, ducked, got ball in hand and ran the rest for the 2nd game, made the 8 on the break in the 3rd; and broke and ran the 4th rack but missed an easy 8ball!!! :eek: I lost that game but won the match 4-1 breaking my unbeaten streak (game wise). When I got off the table after the win, there in my seat was a patch waiting for me - I CHOKED ON THE 8 BALL! My team was full of PUNKS....lol :

don't know if I got patches for the "real" accomplishments, but I still have the CHOKED patch in my case
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lol that would be an awesome patch! I would get 3-4 a night!!!
 
in our region , BASIC cost of play is $25 per player annual sanction plus :
1) $25 per team fee per week
2) $7.50 per player per team per session travel fund contribution (so if you play two nights per week , say 8ball & 9ball , thats another $45 per player per year)
3) $10 additional per team per week to participate in 'moneycup' at end of session - top 3 teams per division qualify for this PLUS there is an additional
$25 entry fee at money cup. several teeams have done the math on money cup , & funds returned to teams under 60% - we now have very low participation in this event
4)singles qualifiers , which all the APA National advertising says should cost $15 , BEGIN @ $25 here , and may run as high as $100 for 'buy a slot'

patches for 'onthebreak/snap' , 'break&run' 'MVP' (1 per team per session)

Bars/sponsors may pay all or part of these fees at their discretion.
my teams choose to pay all our own fees so as not to be 'beholden' to anyone - our team captain can make all his decisions independent of bar
management

Florida law requires coin tables be opened by management / halls cannot charge 'green fees' for tournament tables . may charge for practice tables

send 2 9ball teams / 3 8ball teams / 1 masters team / 2 Jack&Jill dbls to NTC

travel fund pays Airfare (Southwest) & hotel (Circus Circus across street)

I seem to remember that all APA patches are available for purchase from Muellers
 
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