Your Thoughts On lessions?

sde...Notice how well you responded, when we revisited a few of the same things we worked on in the lesson, last weekend. The positive reinforcement you get from successfully applying the knowledge goes a long way to improve consistency. Success builds confidence...confidence builds consistency, and consistency builds repeatability and sustainability in your stroke (aka "trust"). Hang in there...it's coming along nicely!:D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Players who have played along time are the hardest to teach, because they have dead set "BAD HABBITS" and even tho they may seek instruction most elude to other aspects to avoid any flack.

The only real student I have is living in Kansas in 3 years he went from newbie to a solid 9 speed , no where near leveling off, he could make it, its just to bad some people have to work... Once I nailed the fundamentals I was teaching him through playing, safes, shotmaking, banks, this is the only way your going to get a C to go anywhere. Most certainly if you cant play, you cant teach.. IMHO. Im not saying you have to be a pro, but you must be able to visualize what your teaching. So If your working on position, and thats what your teaching, the teacher had better be able to execute the shots. If not its just the blind leading the blind..



SPINDOKTOR
 
Speaking from experience, I can say that you are only going to get out of a lesson, what you put into it! I have taken lessons from Scott a couple of years ago, I also attended a 3 day pool school from another instructor.

When getting Scott's lesson, I expected him to hammer me on my stroke, stance etc.. Told him to give me what he thought I needed. Scott was great, he did not really mess with my stroke or stance etc... He said that I was solid and instead, gave me tools to improve my consistency. He did not try to fix something that was apparently not broken. Scott tailors his instruction to the individual. He tailors the lesson to the needs of the student. I got more out of his 3 plus hours than I did from 3 days of the other pool school. JMHO.

If you are not prepared to work, don't bother with lessons. It takes hard work and discipline to get better, a lesson from the worlds best instructor will prove to be a waste of time if you are not willing to dedicate and discipline yourself.

There are always going to be "bashers" that have not actually had the experience of a quality instructor. Many of those are most likely too lazy to really try to improve their game anyways, it does take work.

Peace, JBK
 
Scott Lee said:
CaptiveBred...Where in the world did you get that notion? :confused: I've never refused anybody anything...and neither has Randyg. The people who come to me WANTING advanced knowledge can have it anytime. The problem is that they can't replicate a stroke well enough to be able to apply it consistently. I'll still show them, even if they can't do it. :rolleyes: Then, at least they have my stroke to try to copy, if they don't want to learn how to fit their own stroke to their bodies.

By far, more people come to me WANTING to learn how to stroke more consistently...and consequently that is what we work on. As far as better players not needing any work on your stroke, you're way off there too. You can be a B player...or even an A, and still have problems with your stroke. Many pros have come to pool school to better understand their own strokes. They weren't seeking playing knowledge...they're ALREADY pro players! :D They come to us to learn what they don't know, about their setup and delivery.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I agree with Scott on this one. I am a longtime league player, have read most every book on pool, studied the game intensely, and I'm pretty good in that league pond but I was stuck. So, I took a lesson from Scott and asked him to help me with my stroke as I had done all I could for myself with the other aspects of pool (strategy, physics, etc.)


With much practice, my stroke consistency has improved and I now have additional knowledge that allows me a more accurate appraisel of why I miss (or make) a shot. This more precise knowledge can then be integrated into the strategy, physics, etc. more easily. Without the stroke tweakings, I'd lack that power.

So, now I can revisit the strategies, physics, etc. and use those more effectively than I could before. That raises my confidence level, too.

The downside of this is that I had to unlearn a few things that I'd done for decades, but that is the price I was willing to pay. It is just starting to payoff...I'm currently the #1 player in our Valley league and my teammates have quit constantly criticizing my play and have started absorbing it instead. Oh oh, I play tonight, so I'd better walk the talk here.:eek:

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
 
JBK,
Very well stated. I happen to think Scott is one of the best instructors around...but he isn't a magician. He can only share the knowledge he has. If the student is resistant to change, or not willing to put in the hard work to apply what they learn, they are just wasting their time on lessons. My best students are the ones who are hungary to learn as much as they can. We put out a lot of information in pool school. If the student takes little or no serious action to follow-up with some hard work, they are not going to benefit from it. The student has to WANT it before it can work.
Steve
 
I have a US Open video from 1997 which shows Neils Feijien playing in the background. One thing I noticed was 10 years ago he did not have a pause in his stroke, in fact his stroke looked completely different than it does now.

I have the Peter Vitalie 9 ball tape from accu-stats which contains brief footage of Efren Reyes playing back in 1987 (not sure the year but it was mid to late 80's). He had a crab like stance (both knees bent). Reyes has obviously completely overhauled his stance since then.

Outside of the points already brought up by our resident instructors, I don't know what else to say...
 
Scott Lee said:
CaptiveBred...Where in the world did you get that notion? :confused: I've never refused anybody anything...and neither has Randyg. The people who come to me WANTING advanced knowledge can have it anytime. The problem is that they can't replicate a stroke well enough to be able to apply it consistently. I'll still show them, even if they can't do it. :rolleyes: Then, at least they have my stroke to try to copy, if they don't want to learn how to fit their own stroke to their bodies.

By far, more people come to me WANTING to learn how to stroke more consistently...and consequently that is what we work on. As far as better players not needing any work on your stroke, you're way off there too. You can be a B player...or even an A, and still have problems with your stroke. Many pros have come to pool school to better understand their own strokes. They weren't seeking playing knowledge...they're ALREADY pro players! :D They come to us to learn what they don't know, about their setup and delivery.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I agree with Scott completely...and having just finished a lesson with him (an hour ago) I can say without doubt that he can help just about anyone who is willing to learn.

I think it is self-evident that if the student has fundamental flaws that prevent the CONSISTENTLY correct delivery of the cue tip to the CB, then all the aiming systems...and all the knowledge of the physics of spin/throw/deflection etc. don't mean diddily because that player will never know if, for example, he/she aimed wrong and missed or aimed correctly but delivered the cue tip badly and missed because of that.

As for the "those who can't do, teach" thesis, that has been proven wrong in countless ways...but just for example, my friend Vern Elliot is now in a wheel chair and has very restricted use of his left arm so he isn't DOING anything right now...but he can TEACH about ten tons of pool wisdom if he wanted to.

Regards,
Jim
 
ShootingArts said:
You will play five hours in a middle sized tournament or many money matches. Odds are that your fundamentals will break down at the worst possible times as we see from others. How much will those three missed balls that you should have made cost you? I have played when one missed ball meant an overall loss.

Keep looking for the magic bullet and accepting your fundamentals as "good enough". You will remain an excellent player that doesn't quite get there.

Hu

PS I don't give or take lessons. However I know that I need lessons and I started playing seriously in 1970.
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if my fundamentals break down that's a mental error. all it would show is that i cracked under the pressure. fundamentals can be cast iron all day in practice and put too much pressure on yourself and you'll still dog balls. everyone does
 
you are absolutely right!

poolplayer2093 said:
if my fundamentals break down that's a mental error. all it would show is that i cracked under the pressure. fundamentals can be cast iron all day in practice and put too much pressure on yourself and you'll still dog balls. everyone does
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Fundamentals often break down because of mental errors. Mental errors often come from having poor fundamentals. How long do you want to go around in circles?

Hu
 
Don't cha

just hate it when you start a new thread and then discover you misspelled a word in the title, which you can't correct? .... :rolleyes:
 
Allison Fisher's Academy

I Have Taken Lessons From About 6 Quality Instructors And Learned Something From Each. Recently Though, I Went To The Above School And Think I Improved 50% With Lessons From The "duchess" And Gerda. I Tried A Few Things In The School And Some I Liked And Others We Decided Were Not For Me; I Will Be Going Back Soon.
 
I wish this thread would go away... Not because I don't care for the content of the thread... but having lessons spelled as lessions is just annoyingly weird.
 
Snapshot9 said:
just hate it when you start a new thread and then discover you misspelled a word in the title, which you can't correct? .... :rolleyes:
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yeah i feel like a retard that can't spell too. oh well
 
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