ZEN in the Art of Tactful Communication

JoeyA

JoeyA

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"Master, why do people say terrible things about politicians and celebrities that they don't even know?"

"Grasshopper, when good people talk about others in a mean or distasteful way they are really describing their own "dark side"...the one they want no one else to find out about...

However, their "Higher Power" has wired them to give it away through the speech patterns they use to describe others...usually strangers....remember, if we judge evil in others it's a result of it matching something we find evil in ourselves"

- 'Zen in the Art of Tactful Communication'
 
JoeyA said:
"Master, why do people say terrible things about politicians and celebrities that they don't even know?"

"Grasshopper, when good people talk about others in a mean or distasteful way they are really describing their own "dark side"...the one they want no one else to find out about...

However, their "Higher Power" has wired them to give it away through the speech patterns they use to describe others...usually strangers....remember, if we judge evil in others it's a result of it matching something we find evil in ourselves"

- 'Zen in the Art of Tactful Communication'
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Good stuff Mr Joey. Thanks for posting!

Ray
 
JoeyA said:
"Master, why do people say terrible things about politicians and celebrities that they don't even know?"

"Grasshopper, when good people talk about others in a mean or distasteful way they are really describing their own "dark side"...the one they want no one else to find out about...

However, their "Higher Power" has wired them to give it away through the speech patterns they use to describe others...usually strangers....remember, if we judge evil in others it's a result of it matching something we find evil in ourselves"

- 'Zen in the Art of Tactful Communication'
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Funny you should bring this up.

I work with a guy (50 years old) that is exactly as described above. I'm 65+ and it just amazes me why some folks or like this.

He is super arrogant.

John
 
JoeyA said:
"Master, why do people say terrible things about politicians and celebrities that they don't even know?"

"Grasshopper, when good people talk about others in a mean or distasteful way they are really describing their own "dark side"...the one they want no one else to find out about...

However, their "Higher Power" has wired them to give it away through the speech patterns they use to describe others...usually strangers....remember, if we judge evil in others it's a result of it matching something we find evil in ourselves"
- 'Zen in the Art of Tactful Communication'
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Sorry, but I think that last statement is baloney. You don't have to have that same evil quality to recognize it in someone else. You just have to be alert, aware, and a good judge of character.
 
henho said:
Nice, I like CJ Wiley's facebook posts too.
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That's right. CJ's got some pretty cool stuff. I'm still waiting for the coolest stuff yet: The video chronicle of Earl Strickland's $1,000,000 pay day.
 
CJ's video release?

JoeyA said:
That's right. CJ's got some pretty cool stuff. I'm still waiting for the coolest stuff yet: The video chronicle of Earl Strickland's $1,000,000 pay day.
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Hey Joey,
I take it you heard some of this info on the "Earl chronicle" in Tunica? Do you have any news of a perspective release date or how and when, "the world?," will get to see this?
CJ came by the video production room with Jay and described his project to Pat, but I didn't catch any relevant details about when it would be finished and released for public viewing.
Hope all is well,
Billy G.;)
 
Zbotiman said:
Hey Joey,
I take it you heard some of this info on the "Earl chronicle" in Tunica? Do you have any news of a perspective release date or how and when, "the world?," will get to see this?
CJ came by the video production room with Jay and described his project to Pat, but I didn't catch any relevant details about when it would be finished and released for public viewing.
Hope all is well,
Billy G.;)
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Billy,
I know that CJ has been working on it but to my knowledge there is no finish or release date at this time.

Maybe CJ will answer that on his FB page or not. :wink:

Since our own Jay Helfert WAS THERE ($1,000,000), he might offer a glimpse of the progress.........................
 
Eastern thinking?

jay helfert said:
"We teach best what we most need to learn." :wink:
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Jay-----surely you jest?

One of my friends once informed me, when "YOU," personally, experience something, you then have the authority to speak on the subject!

So I guess the question here is, "kinda like, how do ya teach what "YOU" don't know (most need to learn)?"
I'd have to bet without previous experience, you'd relate to your audience, rather poorly. ?????????:rolleyes:
 
FranCrimi said:
Sorry, but I think that last statement is baloney. You don't have to have that same evil quality to recognize it in someone else. You just have to be alert, aware, and a good judge of character.
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Joey, I gotta agree with Fran on this one. Very familiar stuff, by the way,:wink: but I don't always agree with it.
 
WARNING VERY LONG -Yes Joey ,I too respectfully agree with Fran

FranCrimi said:
Sorry, but I think that last statement is baloney. You don't have to have that same evil quality to recognize it in someone else. You just have to be alert, aware, and a good judge of character.
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One huge saying amoungst us "recovery folk" is "You spot it , you got it "
That's not always the case .While leaving my normal friday night meeting with my girlfriend a woman who has alot of "time and experience " in recovery was overheard telling my girlfriend who lives with me that she could come stay with her anytime she needed to(Yes Matt thinks the b*t*h said it so he would hear it ) .My knee jerk reaction to folks like this is to say WTF would my lady ever need to come stay with you for ? Please tell me ? I really want to know ?

We have a great relationship , a nice house , we don't beat each other or cheat ,she makes my breakfast a few days then I make hers, you get what I am saying .....no relationship is perfect but we have a real good thing .SO......instead of jumping to conclusions I wait till my girlfriend walks outside and I promptly tell her we gotta go.I chose not to jump this other womans sh** about it and just move on .The story I got about it was she said that my girlfriend could come stay with her M-F to save her some drive time to work and just stay with me on weekends .....again I say WTF ? Could this have been innocent ? Maybe... Could this lady be lonely ,miserable , and one of those single people who ain't had none since none had them ,that subconciously attack the fiber of a happy relationship by backhanded comments ,moves ,and strategies that back up the fact that misery loves company ? I think so ....


The funny thing is I spot this in her and have NEVER been that way . I have had my miserable lonely times but always wished people who were in a relationship well and have even done things I can never share with a soul to ensure the well being and duration of a couple close friends relationships. I'm a big believer in karma and I think I would not have the goodness in my life that I have had I been like the miserable old hag at the meeting last night .

The Greatest teacher taught us not to judge ........I'm not there yet but I am getting better .Instead of going off on someone like that I just go to another meeting or go work on my break.Joey , we have no control of what others say about us or do to try and hurt us. The Greatest teacher I spoke of lived a perfect life and they crucified him (can you even imagine living perfectly ??wow) .SO when these idiots call us names or make up new nick names for us ,or try to hurt our family and relationships , in the big picture it's small stuff ...Don't sweat it .Just be a better player ,work on your break.
 
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Zbotiman said:
Jay-----surely you jest?

One of my friends once informed me, when "YOU," personally, experience something, you then have the authority to speak on the subject!

So I guess the question here is, "kinda like, how do ya teach what "YOU" don't know (most need to learn)?"
I'd have to bet without previous experience, you'd relate to your audience, rather poorly. ?????????:rolleyes:
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Kind of like when you're teaching someone pool, you are learning at the same time. The best therapists often are working out their own angst through the work they do with their clients.
 
Matt90 said:
One huge saying amoungst us "recovery folk" is "You spot it , you got it "
That's not always the case .While leaving my normal friday night meeting with my girlfriend a woman who has alot of "time and experience " in recovery was overheard telling my girlfriend who lives with me that she could come stay with her anytime she needed to(Yes Matt thinks the b*t*h said it so he would hear it ) .My knee jerk reaction to folks like this is to say WTF would my lady ever need to come stay with you for ? Please tell me ? I really want to know ?

We have a great relationship , a nice house , we don't beat each other or cheat ,she makes my breakfast a few days then I make hers, you get what I am saying .....no relationship is perfect but we have a real good thing .SO......instead of jumping to conclusions I wait till my girlfriend walks outside and I promptly tell her we gotta go.I chose not to jump this other womans sh** about it and just move on .The story I got about it was she said that my girlfriend could come stay with her M-F to save her some drive time to work and just stay with me on weekends .....again I say WTF ? Could this have been innocent ? Maybe... Could this lady be lonely ,miserable , and one of those single people who ain't had none since none had them ,that subconciously attack the fiber of a happy relationship by backhanded comments ,moves ,and strategies that back up the fact that misery loves company ? I think so ....


The funny thing is I spot this in her and have NEVER been that way . I have had my miserable lonely times but always wished people who were in a relationship well and have even done things I can never share with a soul to ensure the well being and duration of a couple close friends relationships. I'm a big believer in karma and I think I would not have the goodness in my life that I have had I been like the miserable old hag at the meeting last night .

The Greatest teacher taught us not to judge ........I'm not there yet but I am getting better .Instead of going off on someone like that I just go to another meeting or go work on my break.Joey , we have no control of what others say about us or do to try and hurt us. The Greatest teacher I spoke of lived a perfect life and they crucified him (can you even imagine living perfectly ??wow) .SO when these idiots call us names or make up new nick names for us ,or try to hurt our family and relationships , in the big picture it's small stuff ...Don't sweat it .Just be a better player ,work on your break.
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Judging is a part of life. As soon as we put a label on something, we've judged it. We do it all the time, all day long. I think the thing that really matters is what we do or say after we make that judgement.

If I'm trying to help someone with their game, I'm making a judgement call based on what I observed. If I've done my homework as a teacher, then I'm not going to inflict my personal issues with my own game on them. Anyone who does that shouldn't be teaching.
 
jay helfert said:
"We teach best what we most need to learn." :wink:
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Funny, Jay, but I would have never taken you for a Jonathan Livingston Seagull kinda guy.

But of course you're right -- there is a lesson in there for the OP ;-) ;-) ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
I'll never for get the last words of my sainted Grandmother, as we all gathered around her bed. She took my hand, looked into my eyes, and with a failing voice said, "Son. You ain't nothin' but bad luck."
It really makes you think, doesn't it? :smile:
 
We must learn to live together as brothers , or perish together as fools.


That's all I got.
 
JoeyA said:
"Master, why do people say terrible things about politicians and celebrities that they don't even know?"

"Grasshopper, when good people talk about others in a mean or distasteful way they are really describing their own "dark side"...the one they want no one else to find out about...

However, their "Higher Power" has wired them to give it away through the speech patterns they use to describe others...usually strangers....remember, if we judge evil in others it's a result of it matching something we find evil in ourselves"

- 'Zen in the Art of Tactful Communication'
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Nice post, JoeyA,
Some times a few words are worth a thousand photos!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
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