Zero X System

[JB Cases]

No point talking to you. You proved that with your last paragraph where you type out what you wanted me to say, although I never said it. You are only going to read what you want to read, and not what is actually written. Have fun with that.

Perhaps. We all like to speculate on other people's thoughts don't we?

For example you cherry picking my commentary and deciding that this is why I am at the level I am...

Anyway the point remains that you don't get to be the person who decides what everyone else gets to work on. If you don't like some advice then say so. If you get disagreed with then my advice to you is not to make it personal.

I read what you wrote. I went to the table with your comments. That is all I am saying is necessary. Go to the table and work it out. No need to tell people they will be ruined forever if they try something you think is no good.

www.jbcases.com

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Thanks Joe. Old Dogs learn something every day. Yes, I use that method for determining banks. I measure Zero to 20 for example and shift the cue over to the OB. I just didn't know you called it that but should have guessed.

There seems to me to be a cut off point where I find that it doesn't work. Just from looking at the angle, you can tell. Then I use a bit of English to either cut it short or make it go wide. Hope that makes sense. I guess that part is just feel or shot memory. Altho, I imagine that there may be more to it than I am doing to make it more reliable.

 

[JB Cases]

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John, re-read the parts I put in blue. There you have your answer, but have been too shortsighted to even see it. You totally contradict yourself, and see no problem with it. Which is why you are still at the level you are.

What level am I at Neil? What levels have I been at? What levels can I achieve still? What is required of me to achieve them?

Can you get me to higher levels? If so how? What are you actively doing to help anyone get better?

I see you doing a lot of talking on AZB with criticism of other people's advice.

So help me out here, I want to get better and have limited time.

CJ Wiley says to do one thing, you say to don another. Who should I listen to and why?

Buddy Hall says to do one thing and Jimmy Reid says to do another? Who should I listen to?

John Schmidt says aiming systems are bunk but Shane Van Boeing says he uses one? Who should I listen to?

This guy says that the elbow drop is mandatory and that guys says to never drop the elbow....who should I believe?

All these contradicting choices maybe I should give up pool and take up bowling, surely there isn't as much controversy about how to bowl.

The point being that ON THE TABLE there is you, your cue, the balls and the pocket. Nothing is stopping you from trying ALL the advice you come across. Buddy says do that and Stevie Moore says do that but Neil says do this....no problem....just try them all. Chances are that one of them will resonate with you and you will have fun making balls disappear.

I happen to feel that CTE is the best way to aim for me. But does that stop me from trying other methods? Nope, if I come across one then I try it. Maybe one of these days I will find one that I like better and use that from then on.

Last night I played a little nine ball and I used Tor's advice to try and run out using only top and bottom and center (advice that I have also given many times here in the past but not always followed myself.) I also used his methods of getting on the right side of the ball rather than depending on my ability to spin the cue ball. Result, I had fun playing and getting out of my habitual way of playing and thinking a little deeper about where the cue ball should go and how to get it there.

So again I ask you? Who should I listen to if I want to get better?

 

[RG1]

I could be wrong but did he not say to use center, center low and center high?

 

[Joe Pickens]

Thanks Joe. Old Dogs learn something every day. Yes, I use that method for determining banks. I measure Zero to 20 for example and shift the cue over to the OB. I just didn't know you called it that but should have guessed.

There seems to me to be a cut off point where I find that it doesn't work. Just from looking at the angle, you can tell. Then I use a bit of English to either cut it short or make it go wide. Hope that makes sense. I guess that part is just feel or shot memory. Altho, I imagine that there may be more to it than I am doing to make it more reliable.

Oh, okay. Since you have tried it with your banks and it doesn't work then me just wondering if that will work with Tor's method is most likely wrong. Actually, if that did work then he probably would have said so in his video.

Thanks for helping me with my guess work. :smile:

 

[Neil]

What level am I at Neil? What levels have I been at? What levels can I achieve still? What is required of me to achieve them?

Can you get me to higher levels? If so how? What are you actively doing to help anyone get better?

I see you doing a lot of talking on AZB with criticism of other people's advice.

So help me out here, I want to get better and have limited time.

CJ Wiley says to do one thing, you say to don another. Who should I listen to and why?

Buddy Hall says to do one thing and Jimmy Reid says to do another? Who should I listen to?

John Schmidt says aiming systems are bunk but Shane Van Boeing says he uses one? Who should I listen to?

This guy says that the elbow drop is mandatory and that guys says to never drop the elbow....who should I believe?

All these contradicting choices maybe I should give up pool and take up bowling, surely there isn't as much controversy about how to bowl.

The point being that ON THE TABLE there is you, your cue, the balls and the pocket. Nothing is stopping you from trying ALL the advice you come across. Buddy says do that and Stevie Moore says do that but Neil says do this....no problem....just try them all. Chances are that one of them will resonate with you and you will have fun making balls disappear.

I happen to feel that CTE is the best way to aim for me. But does that stop me from trying other methods? Nope, if I come across one then I try it. Maybe one of these days I will find one that I like better and use that from then on.

Last night I played a little nine ball and I used Tor's advice to try and run out using only top and bottom and center (advice that I have also given many times here in the past but not always followed myself.) I also used his methods of getting on the right side of the ball rather than depending on my ability to spin the cue ball. Result, I had fun playing and getting out of my habitual way of playing and thinking a little deeper about where the cue ball should go and how to get it there.

So again I ask you? Who should I listen to if I want to get better?

Like I said John, learn to read what is written, instead of what you want the other person to be saying. Again, you accuse me of saying things I never actually said, just what you want to read. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you, I see no point in it. All you do is make up crap that I supposedly said, and then lash out at me for it. Go play your games somewhere else. I'm not playing.

 

[fathomblue]

So, when was the last actual post about Zero-X?

I liked the Advanced Pool Secrets. It reminded me of several things that I had either forgotten or just lazy with.

I bought the Kicking video, but haven't been able to watch it yet. I had to download it to my work computer and haven't been able to get it moved over to my phone yet.

I wish it was available on YouTube or something with a password. I'm probably not the only person without a personal computer that finds the whole download thing not user-friendly. But, I'm sure that I'm in the minority.

With that said, it looks like a lot of good material with TOP-NOTCH presentation and production value.

 

[JB Cases]

Like I said John, learn to read what is written, instead of what you want the other person to be saying. Again, you accuse me of saying things I never actually said, just what you want to read. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you, I see no point in it. All you do is make up crap that I supposedly said, and then lash out at me for it. Go play your games somewhere else. I'm not playing.

Just answer the questions. Who should I listen to?

You, CJ, John Schmidt, Buddy Hall, Scott Lee, Pat Johnson, Dr. Dave......etc...?

Who will make me a champion?

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

So, when was the last actual post about Zero-X?

A while ago. Tor was invited to AZ and to join this thread.

Actually, a friend of Tors told me that he did register. What would be the point of him dropping in now.

 

[Ratta]

Hm....

some *guys* better should use the fantastic choice of using emails- So you could use the great opportunity to bash each other for years without disturbing *interested forum-users* who really like to search for knowledge and civilized discussions.

Mobile phones could also work, Skype (for those who like to even holler at each other if nothing works anymore).


For sure i also disagree with some of the stuff in the video itself. But it s greatly done, the *producer* has put a lot of time into it. And with qualified critics he would also *learn* from it and would do it better the next time.

For this small amount of money a very well done work. And i m sure many will benefit from it, even if there are still some critical points

lg from overseas and a Happy New Year to everyone,

Ingo

 

[Ratta]

A while ago. Tor was invited to AZ and to join this thread.

Actually, a friend of Tors told me that he did register. What would be the point of him dropping in now.

Think he first has to be sure if he has really some *masochistic* nuances
He for sure will think very carefully about to post here something.

^^

 

[TheThaiger]

As for me being at the level I am at the reason is because I decided when I was 21 that I didn't want to devote the time and effort needed to get as good as the guys who were that good. Had I chosen that path then I would most certainly be one of the pros you disagree with on AZB.

That is highly unlikely.

 

[JB Cases]

That is highly unlikely.

It's very likely. I know that if I had decided to stick with pool then I would have gotten to pro level. There is no question in my mind that this would have happened.

Pool is not rocket science. It's dedication and deep practice coupled with knowledge and seasoning. Throw in a big dose of steady nerves and you have a professional player.

Which is another reason why there are many ways to learn to play. You can have a goofy stroke and stance and still be a runout machine. You can have picture perfect fundamentals and not be able to run three balls.

It's a spectrum. Even on the snooker tour the players are not exact carbon copies of each other. They all have their own quirks and yet they all play world class.

 

[TheThaiger]

It's very likely. I know that if I had decided to stick with pool then I would have gotten to pro level. There is no question in my mind that this would have happened.

Pool is not rocket science. It's dedication and deep practice coupled with knowledge and seasoning. Throw in a big dose of steady nerves and you have a professional player.

Which is another reason why there are many ways to learn to play. You can have a goofy stroke and stance and still be a runout machine. You can have picture perfect fundamentals and not be able to run three balls.

It's a spectrum. Even on the snooker tour the players are not exact carbon copies of each other. They all have their own quirks and yet they all play world class.

It really isn't as easy as that. I suspect a lot of people here on AZB think they could have got to pro level if they had the opportunity. 99% are wrong.

We all have a level, and in the overwhelming majority of cases, that level isn't pro - or anywhere near.

 

[JB Cases]

It really isn't as easy as that. I suspect a lot of people here on AZB think they could have got to pro level if they had the opportunity. 99% are wrong.

We all have a level, and in the overwhelming majority of cases, that level isn't pro - or anywhere near.

Well you can't really predict what things would have been for someone else if circumstances were different can you? It's all just speculation for sport at this point.

Clearly we all have a level that in most cases isn't close to pro. I didn't insinuate that I am or ever have been. All I said is that I believe that if I had dedicated my life to playing then I am sure I would have learned enough to play at world class levels.

And I think that a lot of folks on AZB would also play at pro level if they had been able to put in the time and effort that current pros have been able to do. No one is born to play pool. This argument will morph into another nature/nurture one if we continue. It really doesn't matter because reality is that I am where I am and still have the ability to improve from where I am. To that end no information or instructor is off-limits as something to try or someone to listen to.

I could have just as easily made my point without telling Neil that I can still play a little. How well I play or don't doesn't really matter to the point of the discussion which is whether Tor's advice is helpful or not.

 

[TheThaiger]

Well you can't really predict what things would have been for someone else if circumstances were different can you? It's all just speculation for sport at this point.

Clearly we all have a level that in most cases isn't close to pro. I didn't insinuate that I am or ever have been. All I said is that I believe that if I had dedicated my life to playing then I am sure I would have learned enough to play at world class levels.

And I think that a lot of folks on AZB would also play at pro level if they had been able to put in the time and effort that current pros have been able to do. No one is born to play pool. This argument will morph into another nature/nurture one if we continue. It really doesn't matter because reality is that I am where I am and still have the ability to improve from where I am. To that end no information or instructor is off-limits as something to try or someone to listen to.

I could have just as easily made my point without telling Neil that I can still play a little. How well I play or don't doesn't really matter to the point of the discussion which is whether Tor's advice is helpful or not.

There's no need to be defensive. It was a general comment aimed at all, not just to you. The point being, 30,000+ members of this board think they have it within them to reach pro level under the right circumstances, when they just don't.

The game fools us.

 

[madmiller]

There's no need to be defensive. It was a general comment aimed at all, not just to you. The point being, 30,000+ members of this board think they have it within them to reach pro level under the right circumstances, when they just don't.

The game fools us.

I am one of them, it's just hard to learn to play good when you don't have a table to practice.
I play guitar on a pro level and I doubt that I could get there if I didn't have a guitar available. No matter what great books I read and what videos I watched.

 

[JB Cases]

There's no need to be defensive. It was a general comment aimed at all, not just to you. The point being, 30,000+ members of this board think they have it within them to reach pro level under the right circumstances, when they just don't.

The game fools us.

Sounds like you are overgeneralizing. There has not been any indication that even 100 people on here feel that they could have reached pro level nor any indication that many ever even wanted to. In contrast many here speak about just wanting to play well enough to do well in their league or local events.

Be that as it may there are many players who are members who most assuredly have the chops to reach pro level had they chosen to go that route. This assessment is based solely on how good they are now.

As the saying goes success is 90%
perspiration. That axiom is proven by research and study of successful people.


www.jbcases.com

 

[nobcitypool]

Pool is not rocket science. It's dedication and deep practice coupled with knowledge and seasoning. Throw in a big dose of steady nerves and you have a professional player.

I respectfully disagree. I will maintain the vast majority of professionals in any sport are savants. There is an intangible they possess others simply don't have. You may or may not have that natural talent John. If you don't, all the knowledge in the world and practicing 7/24 wouldn't get you to where you could consistently compete well with top professionals.

 

[8pack]

Just answer the questions. Who should I listen to?

You, CJ, John Schmidt, Buddy Hall, Scott Lee, Pat Johnson, Dr. Dave......etc...?

Who will make me a champion?

Listen to them all carefully, why?Because none of them and I mean none will make you a champion.(EVER)
Its on you (or us).