Oakland CA circa 1966 poolrooms

Yes I do. One of my first road trips to he Bay area from LA was 1967. As I recall, one side was a mexican room and the other mostly a african american room? To me it must have been one pool room at some point in the past? Then it was separated? Old timers in LA told me that during WW11 and into the early 50's Oakland was full of action located in this very room. As the action dried up in Oakland it moved to the city to the Palace and Cochrans. I believe I played The Go Away Kid in your room, Johnny something can't remember his last name. Also played him at Tree's in Fillmore. The Doggie Diner fed many a pool player back then. Yummy

Waxing the cue ball? WTF is Kaci talking about now?

To be honest, I haven't read all the posts here, so if this was addressed already, then I'm sorry.

This whole waxing thing got me thinking a bit... waxing the CB won't just affect the way the CB moves but also the contact with the cue tip. If the CB is more slippery, then there will be more miscues, and it'll be harder to apply extreme spin.
This will also affect the guilty part that will require staying closer to the center of the ball and will require quite a stroke to spin the CB; this is something that actually the Filipinos are pretty good at. We did see quite a lot of miscues during the tournament.

Waxing the cue ball? WTF is Kaci talking about now?

Again regular gambling is not cheating. I don’t see what’s so hard to grasp about that. If someone doesn’t want to play for money, don’t. Nobody’s forcing anyone to put up a dime. But frowning on those who do, or conflating gambling with cheating, is lazy thinking.

Gambling doesn’t corrupt pool… cheating does. And frankly, if you’re worried about being hustled, don’t gamble. That’s a personal choice just like anything in life. It you step into something without knowledge or awareness, you may get burned. That doesn’t mean the game or the gamble is inherently dirty.

In the U.S., pool has always carried a set of connotations. Yes, some of them come from gambling, but let’s be real, its “rough reputation” had as much to do with smoke filled pool hall, alcohol, and women and kids being kept out as it ever did with playing for money. We didn’t stigmatize the bet we stigmatized the environment.

And now some folks act like gambling is what held pool back. That’s revisionist history. All major sports have gambling attached to them and some openlly , others under the table. The only difference is those sports were legitimized by media, institutions, and big money. Pool never had that chance.

Also do you really think the top international players don’t gamble? You think Filler, Gorst, or Ouschan never bet on a set? That’s a naive take. The difference is, in many other countries, gambling around pool doesn’t carry the same connotations that’s built into American pool. It is just part of the competitive fabric for them. In fact, that’s likely one reason players abroad are often more battle tested than our American players.

So the notion that gambling and cheating are inseparable? That’s not a fact… that’s a projection. They only become inseparable when you can’t differentiate. A problem the rest of the world doesn’t have.
I wonder, do today’s kids gamble at video games? Are ‘gamers’ considered ‘sportsmen’? The demise of the neighborhood poolroom has ruined gambling, not the other way around.
People gambled at pool, just like they gamble in the casinos now: everyone thinks they can beat the odds. I grew up gambling with better players for that very reason. Sure, I lost money, but I learned and got better, while having fun (and building character). I met a lot of hustlers along the way, but very few cheaters.

Rebuttal by Johann Chua re Waxgate

Chua really has been a much needed breath of fresh air to pool over the last year or two.
Fun to watch, expresses passion and seems like an all round good egg.

The cue ball was definitely not reacting normally in the videos I saw. That being said, surely if there was a substance applied to the ball it would likely be there for subsequent matches either on the balls or transferred to the tables. So although it does look like something has nefarious occurred it does seem a little unfair to point fingers without direct proof of someone applying the substance.

Why do people suck so bad at taking pictures of pool cues?

I know, this is a question that nobody will be able to answer, but do you think that it is just laziness, or pure stupidity, or a combination of both?

How hard is it to take a decent picture, in this day and age, with current smart phone tech? The tech these days is so good that a 2 year old could take a perfectly clear pic.

So, what is it? Laziness? Stupidity?

And, does presentation not mean anything to people? I mean, clear your freaking room, before taking the picture. And, who wants to see the sellers bare foot in the picture, for example, lol.

It does not take a Pro Photographer to get a decent picture of a pool cue, these days, lol.
A combination of both. Occam's razor. The simplest answer is usually the best. Consider what average intelligence is today, and then consider nearly half the population is dumber than that. To do anything with attention to detail and a desire to do it with excellence is simply beyond most people, and that's sad. I've sold lots of cues on line and they've all had shots of entire cue, closeups of shaft, inlay and point detail, tip, etc. If you're trying to sell a decent cue for more than a couple bucks, why would anybody do less than that?

Wanted - Willard Pool Cue tip machine

I am afraid that I was the victim of a scam here. A new member reached out to me to let me know that an existing member @igtsm4u had "just what I was looking for".

His profile has been on here since 2009 with 100% positive reputation albeit with a small sample.

Long story short, he got me to send him money for the Willard tipping machine last Friday. I was led to expect shipping as soon as the transfer was confirmed (or early the next day)

On Saturday he said it was scheduled to be picked up on Monday.

At the end of the day on Monday he claimed that he had some personal issues to deal with and that it would be going out in the morning

At the end of the day today he says some strange thing about USPS being screwed up and that it had once sent a package of his out of the country.

(email from 62Cobra)
"I agree with you. I'm sorry I don't know why USPS is messing up, they once sent my item out of the country. I'll have this resolved. Thank you!"

At the end of the day I feel like a fool. This marketplace is a complete cesspool.

Initial DM from @DannyDee2
"You can check on @igtsm4u but I haven't seen him on here for couple of days. You can reach him via email- 62cobraturbs@gmail.com,he has a few of them, plus he's a dealer...straight up Great Guy!!"

Person who claimed to be selling the Willard Tipping Machine - @igtsm4u
62cobraturbs@gmail.com

Person who i actually send the Zelle payment to - Katerina Stewart

Katrina Stewart


KatrinaStewart7822@gmail.com

Payment description- Invoice 12032

Send a picture or receipt of your Payment confirmation. I’ll have it shipped with UPS priority.

Thanks!


Warning to others.


Do not send money out first. Certainly not via Venmo or Zelle because there is no way to get it back. Use Paypal or some other option such as a trusted 3rd party to escrow. It might cost a bit more and take a little longer but you are better off.

To the moderators here can you please place the blackest of black marks against the members who are involved.
sorry for your loss
you should post this in this section regarding transactions

What glove do you use?

Back in the day, the best glove was Sir Joseph, I alway had one in my case just if conditions required one and except for a short period of time that I used a glove to see if it's better, I hardly used it.

These days with CF shafts, a glove is a must to have. I like the new type of gloves with the cut fingers.
I got a Rhino glove first, it's nice, a bit thick but the main issue is the seam at the end of the fingers is really thick and annoying.
Then I got the Predator second skin glove. It's nice and thin but after a short while it falls a part...

What glove do you use?
How long does it last?
Do you wash it? and how?
I've tried lots of gloves, paid over $
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20 for them, and found one on Amazon for $9.99 that's the best glove I've ever used. Well made and durable. I've seen several other guys at my local pool hall use them too.

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