easy-e said:

FWIW, I've met and played against Aloysius. He's always been nothing short of a gentleman and class act. I'll always give someone (especially someone like Aloysius) the benefit of the doubt in that situation. He was definitely waiting for the ref's call, but I'm confident that he wasn't sure if he had fouled or not.

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I have neither met nor played with Aloysius. I accept that he’s an honourable players and was waiting for the ref’s call.

However, I find it hard to believe he didn’t know he fouled. If most informed amateurs believed he fouled, I think he knows as much as they do and also believed he hit the 4 first.

That said, I do believe he felt that it was up to the referee and the referee called it good so he accepted the referee’s decision. As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m not sure what a player is supposed to do in Yapp’s position, except maybe suggesting the referee look at it on video (if permitted).

easy-e said:

So I just read all 5 pages of the thread

Looks like I should check out Chris's if I get a chance! For the locals, what nights do they have leagues/tournament's at Chris's? I probably won't hit a ball (not packing my cue) but wouldn't mind watching something.

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i am curious to this answer
when i was at chris's (many years ago)
the front room seemed more for serious players
they had a second room behind clear partitions with alot of tables
which i guess could be used for leagues
but was closed off/dark when i was there

maha said:

i think the ref should call based on what he sees of the hit and not the way the cue ball rolled. if they want that and this shot was a clear foul, then you need to have a camera. no camera then ref makes his call based on what he sees of the hit.

other wise ref calls what he sees, is fair for both sides. it can work for you or against you. that has been how pool was reffed forever.
other wise the hit becomes more subjective from the ref. even though some shots like this are clear. but only from the after roll of the cueball.

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If the Ref sees the CB going off the tangent line of the 8 ball last, then they ARE calling what they see. Referees should have the highest level of knowledge of anyone when it comes to knowing how to tell a good hit from a bad one. In your theory, all Yapp had to do was hit the balls 100 miles an hour, then nobody could "see" which ball was hit first (or last)

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jasonlaus said:

I carry a sledgehammer in the car, no way a table is robbing me

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WTF, you live in Chicago or something?