What is your eye pattern when down on a shot before striking cue ball?

You can tell where you struck the cue ball from what the cue ball does. Learning how to interpret the action of the cue ball is a very important part of the game. Also, if you have a true stroke, you will hit the cue ball where you address it.

On the other hand, you absolutely need to know where the cue ball struck the object ball. Did it go where you were planning? If not your aim or stroke has to change. If you did strike the object ball where you intended, did the ball go in? If not, your aim has to change. In my opinion, watching the CB/OB collision is vital while you are learning to aim.

Focus sharply on the object ball for almost a second before the final stroke.

I do ask students to look at the stick/cueball if they have problems bringing their arm through straight. Usually I ask them to watch the ferrule as it comes back and goes through. But once they have a reasonably straight stroke, it's time to look at the best target.
Thanks Bob - I really appreciate the reply and further insights. Yes, I was thinking about it after I made this statement, and realized that you can certainly become consistent with where you are striking the cue ball once your stroke and mechanics are consistent, without actually watching the tip when it hits. I think Ron probably used this in the early stages of my training as a method to get me to hit it where I was trying to for a given shot. Although, it still helps me a lot with the most difficult shots, like the long straight shot, probably because I am NOT that consistent (or correct) yet with my overall mechanics at this point.

But, then there is the exercise that I saw Corey Deuel doing that takes it one step further where, when down on the shot after initial aiming and alignment, he closes his eyes before the final practice stroke and shot, and still makes the shots and intended shape perfectly. Further proving what you are saying.

Basically for me now, my stroke is not that straight or strong, or consistent. I think probably neither is my aim, which can make it difficult to tell what is going on. Even when I make shots I may not really know why exactly. I am trying to derive this though from feel. I only really get to practice once or twice a week usually, so I am surprised I am making any progress at all - it's not a lot of table time. But, I at least consistently do certain exercises every session before starting to play racks. And I notice when I focus on hitting the cueball in the correct spot, and also feel my stroke ending tight against my chest - meaning the stroke was in fact tight and straight, that surprisingly the ball does tend to drop and cueball stops where it should. Talking about the straight shot exercise. Another thing I do is spot shots. A lot of them throughout the session.

When I play random racks (without breaks) I take ten balls, but usually I put up the ten ball as a shootout spot shot to start the rack. Always there are varying shapes required to get back around for the one ball. Sometimes I will try it several times until I hit it. Once get it in then I play the rest as a 9-ball rack. If I have to give up, or often if I miss it the first time even, then it goes back in order and it's a ten-ball rack and the last ball.

Sometimes I will just start with the one ball as the long spot shot too. The point of the ten-ball shoot out shot is simple: Get used to seeing it. Get comfotable. And learn to hit it more than not. This way, if you wind-up in a shootout, you'll be on familair ground at least. Make the most difiicult situatations, your friend.

I am trying to understand/learn how to recognize how everything looks and feels when I do hit this long shootout spot-shot perfectly. Sometimes I can repeat it, even several times. Other times... eh, yeah not so much. lol But, usually I am just trying to use a dead center ball hit at slow to medium speed, and there is a certain feeling when I hit it dead-right, for sure. Doing it the first ime, and then 2, 3, 4 times in a row - this is a pretty high bar for me right now. But sometimes I can do it.

I also try to always end a practice session with a great shot. A successful run out tha tends with very tough shot. A super difficult long shot off the rail. A 9-foot straight shot. A shot so difficult that it seems not in the realm of someone like me. I try to make a strong finish in my final rack before ending the session and on the last shot. Easy for me since I blow my shape on the money ball so much of the time. lol

The other day I noticed something very odd - a long spot shot felt so dead on that it was as if I could see and feel how it was all aligned, I mean within the scope of the entire universe or something. Like it was a static diagram on a page or something. As I shot it and saw the object ball head straight for the center of the pocket, it all felt and seemed perfect and connected. Like there was no chance of missing. I wasnt hitting it fast, or hard. Very smooth and almost slow, but not rolling it. Center ball. It is hard to describe what I felt. Like everything about that one shot was perfect. So simple. Like the ball was already pocketed before I hit it, and just as I stroked it. Like I had finally managed to get enough of myself out of the way. And aim right and then hit it right. Simple. Perfect.

Having had so many years training in classical music, which I still practice diligently all the time as if I was training for a major symphony audition (because that is how I learned to prctice, and how I like it to feel), I try to find ways to challenge myself, and even trick myself into learning and improving when I practice. I am hard on myself during practice. I do the same an anything I am training in. There are typically several very basic and key things to learn to do consitently, and become good at, that make eveything else, all the high level fancy stuff possible. I tihnk it is no different in pool.

Well, easy to say and describe - takes hundreds and thousands of hours over months and years to do.

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Indeed of course you are correct, what the cue ball does after the hit is exactly how to tell how accurate the hit is, especially with a straight stop-shot, it is very clear. But, then there is the whole speed factor, right? :) lol It's never easy. If it was we probably wouldn't be so addicted to it.

There is an old saying in Martial arts (yeah, I have done this training too) that the difference between a super high level dangerously endowed and skilled Brown Belt, and a first degree Black Belt, is not always apparent observing them. The difference really is that if the black belt gets out of shape for a period of time, and rusty in his skills, he has the abillity to step-back within himself, and train himself properly back into top form. From feel. Brown belts usually cannot do this effectively on their own. They need someone on the outside to see and guide them in what they are doing.

Anyway, back to the point...

I will certainly give your advice some serious thought and incorporate it into my practice and technique. I think I already do it actually. I go back and forth a bit between both balls while down for the shot before hitting. I will pay attention more to that final focus now.

Thanks again.

Ultimate Pool Shootout North Carolina bracket

Joe Prince's rating is 737. He seems to thrive in this format (easy table conditions, 7 footer, short shot clock) and play above that rating. Which means he has a bunch of games in the system where he plays more like a shortstop? Either that, or he has won a lot of close races against lesser competition?

In the 2025 Houston Open his performance over eight matches was a 670: https://digitalpool.com/tournaments/houston-open-nineball-main-event-2025/performance

Along with a 7-3 loss to a 770 in the mini (again a roughly 670 performance): https://digitalpool.com/tournaments/houston-open-nineball-mini-2025/performance

i would think the fargo is all based on big table pool, he plays the 9-ball tour in UK. do UP even report to fargo? most other brits are not rated

Ultimate Pool Shootout North Carolina bracket

Been watching this tournament and seeing players I never heard of eating up 8 ball on a bar table. I thought 8 ball on a bar table was supposed to be more difficult because of congestion, but it sure does not look that way in this tournament.

i think that's still true for sub-750 players.

regarding that bergman - rodney match i remember watching a CSI 8-ball US open when they played on diamond barboxes. neither rodney or his opponent missed a single ball, and that was a longer race than this

What makes a shaft whippy?

My wife has the Meucci Rose cue with the original 1994 shaft and a black dot shaft that came with her Meucci Glass Rose cue.
The original has quite a bit more whip and flex than the black dot. I don't know why,I'm not a wood specialist but you can see and feel it. I believe both are 13 mm.
If you want to see some flex watch Mike Sigel break, I don't know how his shaft doesn't break

Color of Money Shot Recreated

I wouldn't really call that The color of money shot because that's a common shot done by almost every trick shooter in an exhibition. I'll tell you one shot you can recreate which is not original but not common either.

It's the shot to Jack klugman does the opening of The Twilight episode a game of pool. It's a double kiss multi-real kick shot. Generally when I show it to somebody they've never seen it before.
I think I know what shot you are talking about but can you post a link to the episode?

Most of us commonly call that shot "The Color of Money Kick Shot." As far as others doing that, I only know of Tom Rossman doing a variation of this shot in an exhibition. I use the same variation that Tom does. I know Venom doesn't use it. Maybe a lot of the people from before used it or pool players that dabble in trickshots use it.

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