What beginner pool tip do you wish you learned sooner?

I think it turns out that the biceps is not the main muscle that brings the stick forward. It is some other muscle next to the biceps.
Yes, if relying on an elbow flexor contraction as the primary driver of the stroke, it isn't actually the biceps, it is the other elbow flexor, the brachialis. Tho many people do indeed use the biceps and are often plagued by their wrist turning over as the primary function of the biceps is suppination (turning the palm face up in a dead hang... or curling the wrist in towards the body in a pool stroke)

If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

With respect to Shane’s 824 rating from 10 years ago, I think you need to account for the time it took for everyone’s rating to settle. While I’m sure players improved over time, a lot of the rating increase was likely driven by the need to get enough games into the system and enough connections established. At that point, when top players were sitting between 780 and 800, it was difficult for Shane to go much higher than that. Once the professional field became more connected and spread out on the scale, his rating and those of other top players adjusted upward.

In terms of the broader question, I do think you would end up with a similar scale if Fargo had been applied during the 70s and 80s. If you managed to capture a similarly representative player population, the lower and middle portions of the player base would provide a fairly stable anchor. The lowest skill levels are constrained by human ability and the learning curve of the game itself. A player who can barely pocket balls in 1976 looks an awful lot like a player who can barely pocket balls in 2026. From there, you still have players who beat those beginners most of the time, players who beat those players most of the time, and so on. So while the skill level of pros and top amateurs may change, there will always be that player who consistently beats beginners, hovers around the 400 level, and gets pummeled by the more serious players. What changes is the number of strong players above them and how separated those groups become.

One caveat might be the relative newness of 9-ball as the primary competitive game during the 70s compared to now. You could argue that without the benefit of modern breaking techniques, racking knowledge, safety play, kicking systems, and overall strategic knowledge, the scale at the top end might end up being a bit more compressed. On the other hand, during the era of two-foul 9-ball, you may have seen more separation between the top players and the rest of the pack if it meaningfully reduced the influence of luck. Once the game shifted to one-foul ball-in-hand, I suspect the ratings may have compressed somewhat. Ultimately, how much the scale changes probably depends on whether those variables increase or decrease volatility in match outcomes.
What do you mean statistical settling? Fargo was used for many years before Shane's 824 in 2015. I think once you get 1000+ robustness and over 2MM data points, the rating would be fairly accurate. I could be missing something though.

Separately, given the Fargo creep, having 800 rated players in the 700s might give us over 1000 rated players now! That would be a hoot! Who is gonna be the first 1,000!!!

I don't think ratings have compressed. I think they have actually expanded, no?

-td

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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

With respect to Shane’s 824 rating from 10 years ago, I think you need to account for the time it took for everyone’s rating to settle. While I’m sure players improved over time, a lot of the rating increase was likely driven by the need to get enough games into the system and enough connections established. At that point, when top players were sitting between 780 and 800, it was difficult for Shane to go much higher than that. Once the professional field became more connected and spread out on the scale, his rating and those of other top players adjusted upward.

In terms of the broader question, I do think you would end up with a similar scale if Fargo had been applied during the 70s and 80s. If you managed to capture a similarly representative player population, the lower and middle portions of the player base would provide a fairly stable anchor. The lowest skill levels are constrained by human ability and the learning curve of the game itself. A player who can barely pocket balls in 1976 looks an awful lot like a player who can barely pocket balls in 2026. From there, you still have players who beat those beginners most of the time, players who beat those players most of the time, and so on. So while the skill level of pros and top amateurs may change, there will always be that player who consistently beats beginners, hovers around the 400 level, and gets pummeled by the more serious players. What changes is the number of strong players above them and how separated those groups become.

One caveat might be the relative newness of 9-ball as the primary competitive game during the 70s compared to now. You could argue that without the benefit of modern breaking techniques, racking knowledge, safety play, kicking systems, and overall strategic knowledge, the scale at the top end might end up being a bit more compressed. On the other hand, during the era of two-foul 9-ball, you may have seen more separation between the top players and the rest of the pack if it meaningfully reduced the influence of luck. Once the game shifted to one-foul ball-in-hand, I suspect the ratings may have compressed somewhat. Ultimately, how much the scale changes probably depends on whether those variables increase or decrease volatility in match outcomes.

What beginner pool tip do you wish you learned sooner?

"Vertabrate movement" means movement of the spine (vertabrae), right? How do you think that works in the stroke?

And how does slight rising of the elbow on the backswing "make the stroke much more efficient"?

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Vertabrate movement as in how movement evolved in all vertabrate animals. This applies to efficient movement in a horse or cheetah as much as it does to a human.

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