Jaden said:

I'd hate to be that apartment owner...

:edit: If I was that apartment owner, I'd be buying a used charger r/t and offering that to him if he would just sign this little piece of paper.

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Mensabum said:

Jaden's break tips are the Bomb!! I didn't post anything bcuz I didn't want everybody beating me to the punch.
Limited quantities, dontchaknow.
Shame on me.

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jay helfert said:

Sorry Patrick but a very narrow tip imparts more english with an off center hit. Curvature (nickei or dime) doesn't do that. Same size tip, the curve has little to no effect on the application of english or "spin" as you call it.

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krelldog said:

Shawn Wilkie or BJ Ussery ?

Big table 9 or 10 ball ?

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jay helfert said:

Biado, Roda, Chua, Kokoy and Januarta.

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InsertCleverNameHere said:

Danny D suggested this a long time ago. Not sure if it's ever been tried but I like the concept.

I don't think today's break rules are great by any means but it does provide some solid variance in layouts and the cueballs final resting spot so it's good in that sense.

I'd like to see what happens if the 1 in the side is outlawed! lol

People didn't like that the corner ball was dead but now with templates and 9 on the spot the 1 in the side is pretty close to dead too. But again, the varied layouts is a pretty solid outcome.

Templates are going nowhere but they have a lot to do with the consistency people make the 1 in the side.

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briankenobi said:

that would be an interesting match to watch.

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bbb said:

I have not read the whole thread
I apologize…..but
The probate people and the attorneys have to understand the status of the items that were not joe’s own cues
And what was not his but given to him for repair or consignment
The ones trying to screw the rightful owners are scumbags
In my opinion

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CocoboloCowboy said:

Well this story is not over, and apparently the Court in Texas will decide something. Sadly the Salazar Family did not apparently try and sort out what Cues Joe owned, and what Cue were Consigned to Joe for Sale. Rturn Cue to Owner upon Joe death.

I am not sure if Joe kept books logging in its consigned, logging them out when sold, with payment to consignee info. Or records of Cues returned that did not sell.

Paper trails always helps with these matters, not sure if Joe was that organized in his business.

In one way I feel sorry for Joes family if he was not organized with a set of Books with good records what Cues Joe Owned, and what Cues were on Consignment.

JMHO

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garczar said:

If i opened a bar today i'd go looking for decent used Valley's EVERY time. Get decent balls and cueballs and you're good. NO way i'd spend 6dimes on Diamonds.

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Rusty in Montana said:

On the above mentioned Valley tables and this varies from bar to bar they have either a wild roll or a dead spot on one or more rails or the object balls will sometimes roll into the cue ball return .

Granted I don't get to shoot / play on Diamond tables I've not experienced those issues with them .

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Bob Jewett said:

In summary, the two main results are that the match-winning chances do not change for a change in format (winner/alternate) and the match length is generally a little longer for alternate breaks. Loser breaks also does not change the match-winning probability.

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skor said:

There was a statistic analysis that showed that there is no difference for the end result, so why do people feel so strong about it?
On one side, I like winner breaks (and the looser rack), sort of prize and punishment for the winner and looser, works great for amateurs, didn't work well for pros when they would argue about the racking and it took forever to rack and get the game moving... now that was a pain to watch... then came referee racking and then the Sardo rack etc etc but that's another story.

Here is another perspective, you travel across the world to play in a tournament, winner breaks format, loose the lag, your opponent break and runs 9 racks, you pack your cues and go home... fun...
Or go with alternate break and at least you get on the table and maybe on the score board, even if we follow the statistic that show that since it doesn't matter, you were about to lose anyway at least you got to play.

All the WNT events early stages are boring as hell, all the seeded players are playing dead money and win 9-0 or 9-1, give the dead money a reason to come back next time.

The ability to comeback from an 8-1 or something like that, that we saw in Arizona, means that the players have figured out the break.
You want to keep it interesting and keep the winner breaks, bring the 3 points rule in. we will see less cut breaks and more good old pool.

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skogstokig said:

weird. i was watching the final on ko brothers channel and it had english commentary, until the ko brothers inserted themselves and now it's chinese. but what stream are they restreaming?

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sjm said:

Same here. Those who defend alternate break tend to cite tennis, but in tennis, the serve is a giant advantage. For example, in today's US Open men's tennis final, there were just three service breaks in thirty games played, so the server won 90% of the games. Alternate serve is a no brainer in pro tennis.

Combining the stats at the last two WNT majors (Arizona Open, US Open 9ball), per AtLarge stats, the breaker won 234 racks out of 394 racks played, or 59% of the racks played. The breaker's advantage in today's nine ball is not so great as to require alternate break to make it fair.

As a fan, I find alternate break less interesting to watch. There is nothing more electrifying than seeing a player keep the table for racks at a time, and the fans have always responded to it when it happens. The match often cited as the greatest ever at the World 9ball was Wu Jiaqing vs Po Cheng Kuo in 2005 --- in the race to 17 final, Wu stepped up to the table trailing 16-12 and ran out the match to win the world 9ball championship. That could not have happened with alternate break. Pool has always been a game of momentum, and alternate break spoils it for me.

With alternate break and no shot clock, I'm having a harder and harder time taking the China Open seriously these days.

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straightline said:

Ok. All my cueballs from the 70's have yellowed but those have gone through many polishing cycles too. Liquid Glass and another boutique brand. I have several Aramith ferrous balls from the last 10 or more years that are scuffed but otherwise still white. Those were done with tap water only. Gotta wait 40 more years I guess.

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