jay helfert said:

I’ve kind of lost touch with him the last few years. His name does pop up now and then at tourneys back east. He’s still out there grinding.

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got a stroke iirc? limps around and doesn't play near the same speed as before

BobPA said:

When did I ever say it was a Holy Grail? I am just countering your ridiculous statement that "most production cue makers don't offer KW, it is mostly a custom cue maker thing" which really is not true. the tirade you are on against KW makes me think some guy wit a KW shaft and a custom cue took your money and your girl.

You can keep your carbon snake oil, I like wood.

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I believe that KW is not as mainstream yet compared to CF. as of the moment, CF shafts seem to find a bearing to the pool community after it was introduced a couple of years ago. I have no idea when KW came out but I believe it a newer than CF but older than the hybrid stuff we have right now? I think the notion that KW is for custom or is a custom comes to some sellers or builders are pairing it more with custom butts. I know one builder that stopped making CF shafts then transitioned to making and pairing his custom cues with KW.

iusedtoberich said:

I din't read this thread, but have read a few others on this topic over the years, and seen the tiny bit of video evidence that is out there for a slip stroke from 1950.

Maybe it wasn't even really a technique? Maybe the hand was just moving around a bit to get settled in during the practice swings.

It sure seems dumb to intentionally leave the stick in place at the cb, then slip the hand back several inches to a foot, then squeeze the cue on the final forward stroke and strike the ball. The stick has no momentum in that case, and only the hand does, picking up the stick for the ride.

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No, it’s a thing. You just have to have seen somebody who has one. It’s fluid and the cue has momentum. It’s not the Loch Ness monster or Sasquatch, it exists. Maybe near extinction, but its real.

maha said:

in real practice the the equipment pros use would be a hindrance for the average player in that sport.

if you followed what some of the best players that ever lived did. ...

you would be talking to the rail the whole time you played.

you would have all kinds of weights on your hands and wrists.

you might have your stroke be a side arm motion.

you might have a short poke for a stroke.

along with guzzling beers.

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not necessarily a pro. but us typical pool players differ in preferences as well. a fellow player for example asked me how I could stroke the CB effortlessly and draw with impunity. he got so interested into copying on what I do that he considered or think it was the equipment that I'm using. he did try but was having a tough time using my equipment since I'm handling a 21oz and he could only manage an 18oz for consistency. and I'm using an 11.5mm vs his typical 12.75mm. I do agree that it can be a hindrance especially if you are not used to it yet. while we get ideas from other players with regards to equipment, the biggest aspect is that choose what's best for you.

Kris_b1104 said:

I am thinking of pulling the trigger on this:

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Thoughts? Anything I should be weary of?
I will eventually change the cloth and rails later on.

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Seller is offering $1,500 including delivery and installation. 3-piece slate.

I can also just purchase the table alone and have it installed by a reputable mechanic. But I'm not sure if that will reduce the price or not, I have to find out. Seller is saying payment is not due until installation is complete.

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That’s along the lines of what I had. If it’s in decent condition and set up well it will work. You will have to evaluate the seller and how well they can set it up etc….

I din't read this thread, but have read a few others on this topic over the years, and seen the tiny bit of video evidence that is out there for a slip stroke from 1950.

Maybe it wasn't even really a technique? Maybe the hand was just moving around a bit to get settled in during the practice swings.

It sure seems dumb to intentionally leave the stick in place at the cb, then slip the hand back several inches to a foot, then squeeze the cue on the final forward stroke and strike the ball. The stick has no momentum in that case, and only the hand does, picking up the stick for the ride.