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I need a Pool Purse.

Johnny Rosato
cueball2010 said:
I got a new hard case pool bag. It has just 1 large pocket. That pocket is not really large enough for a jump handle plus my pool accessories.

I was wondering if anyone can recommend a bag that I can clip on to my bag. Doesnt have to be that big. Maybe just the size of a normal small top pocket that usually comes on bags. Could be a little larger though since I'm just going to clip it to my bag somewhere and let it dangle.
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Just borrow one from your wife/gf/daughter,
shouldn't be a problem at all.
Of course I chose a bag that would hold all my chit.
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CTE Aiming

Joshua70
I tried to get in the game of CTE for a few years and it certainly works- in a selected range of shots oder speeds. But as said before- depending on where you come from and want to go to- it helps but is not the final solution as some think. hard and soft balls come out thicker and you have to compensate. You also have to compensate Throw and swerve. At the end you have so many exceptions to compensate, that you tend to loose focus on the straight forwarded stroke an other stuff you do in pre-shot-routine.
But- if you use CTE consequently, you ´ll get a feel for angles and the aiming points. You then have to work on getting it naturally. The question in the end is, what gets you forward faster. Learning and using a system or hitting many balls to teach youor brain the natural feel for it. Same stuff with changing material.
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Chezka Centeno

mikemosconi
As 14.1 is my favorite game to play or watch, 8 ball comes in as a strong second for me. So this women's pro 8 ball event held here in the U.S. is quite a treat over a holiday weekend being available on Amazon Prime TV. I think the point of the original poster was just how refreshing it was to see a woman play so fast, loose, and yet have superior position play, pattern play, and ball pocketing ability.

I am not one to follow every player and every event - but watching this event, I am pleasantly surprised by the women and their performances in 8 ball top competition. Centeno just stands out in terms of style and it is just refreshing to watch.
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Quincy IL player list?

r9ball
Small turnout could be due to tourney in Des Moines at Midwest Expo same week,,, hop[fully list gets bigger. Would be nice to see a list for women and juniors.
Bad thing about Quincy is that it's a big open hall with concrete floor. Players may not appreciate walking around on that hard floor, I didn't. The only good thing there is the food and drinks are not overly priced like most convention centers. Rack Daddys is just north a few blocks with a bunch of Diamond bar tables,,, safe to walk there.
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Open Source Pool - The Hidden Dance of Stroke and Aim

Oliver
markjames said:
excellent post, thank you for the detailed discussion of your journey

anyone who is fascinated with this game and the struggles and rewards it provides recognizes that the difficult work of improving takes daily effort over the span of weeks and months and years and when a well written and thoughtful and thorough treatise such as yours comes along, we spend as much time as it takes to read it carefully and repeatedly
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Very kind words, thank you.

genomachino said:
I can help you. Got this whole thing figured out. Perfect Aim/SHIFT fixes this all. The SHIFT was the last final piece to the puzzle. What you are trying to figure out here is almost impossible. I got lucky. 30 years, finally got it. Strange series of events that got me there. Give me a call and I will share this with you. 7155638712 anytime.
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I'll give you a call. Why not post your findings for everyone, I'm sure it would be interesting to discuss.
MitchAlsup said:
If the CB does not roll to the aim spot, there has been an aiming error
If the CB does roll to the aim spot but bounces off other than straight, there has been a stroke error.
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Sorry but you misunderstood.
Oikawa said:
I don't have anything insightful/new to say about the vision related stuff, but I'll give my thoughts on stroke straightness, which is directly linked to the improvement process OP talks about in the sense of how much you can learn to trust your vision/aim:

One important aspect of this whole topic is the mechanical part of what it means to shoot straight efficiently. The way I developed my straight stroke was by realizing that for a given stance, there is always some path that the shooting arm naturally wants to go to, if moved in it's simplest possible path forward, rest of the body staying still. The goal is to build the stance such that this path is always straight forward relative to what you are seeing.

There are numerous issues that can stop this from happening, most commonly your body being in the way of the stroke, or some part of your body causing the angle to be off or steer at some point. It's not just elbow/shoulder related, almost every part of your body can ruin things in unexpected ways. Especially once you also consider balance, stability, comfort and ease of repeatability, which are all important principles when building your stance.

Once you find something that works well for normal shots, then you probably need variations for various elevated shots, jump shots etc. it really isn't easy, and there are no shortcuts. Paying extreme attention to your stance, to form a perfectly repeatable, straight and effortless stroke direction, is in my opinion, one of the most powerful improvements that many players never make.

This process is tricky, and greatly benefits from outside perspective, ideally a coach or a better player than you giving you guidelines, alternatively online resources/books/video feedback if coaching isn't an option.

It is so easy and common to half-ass this aspect of the game during your development, form a stroke that goes somewhat straight and get a false sense of mechanical perfection from easier shots going in consistently. Then perhaps blaming aiming, lack of experience or lack of talent for the harder shots not going in most of the time, when the true culprit is most likely the consistency/straightness of the stroke not being pushed to the next level.

The less consistent your stroke, the less trust you can build in your vision/aim. The straightness of your stroke is directly linked to the ceiling of your skill level.
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I agree with all your points.


Nature Boy said:
Does anyone know what that stroke trainer is?
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Well I know... I built it! :-) It keeps the butt of the cue laterally stable, allowing slight natural vertical movement. It is essentially initially a muscle memory trainer and then becomes a calibration tool, showing you how your body needs to move in order to move the cue perfectly straight. I does a few other things, but this is the primary purpose.


straightline said:
This thing?


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Seems like you set it up an don't play until your brain gets it. :p

Wait. The butt end might be a piston and you just get down and stroke that while holding the cue stationary with the front hand.
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The black CF part at the butt end is just part of my cue, a kind of extension. Nothing to do with the stroke trainer.

You use the tool to calibrate your straight stroke for a minute or two at every day.
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Open Source Pool - The Hidden Dance of Stroke and Aim

Oliver
couldnthinkof01 said:
You're nuts. I love it
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It seems to get worse with age...


skogstokig said:
keep playing oliver. i've seen you play on postup and you've got a mean 1p game!
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Thanks. It's the traveling that's wearing on me.

straightline said:
Probably real good stuff if it would fit in my head.
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Anything in particular I can help understand better?


bbb said:
interesting read and thorough description of your journey
check your PM
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Thanks, will do


garczar said:
WTF?????? anybody read all that shit????? anybody got the cliff notes version?
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Well, cliff notes would be that your eyes lie to you most of the time and after a certain point mechanical fixes no longer work



Black-Balled said:
If you watch the top pros, many don't have a 100% straight stroke, there's lateral movement in the swing yet delivery/ contact is pure.

There's a lot of rabbit holes in the game and not all juices are worth the squeezes.
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Thats right, many/most don't. However the closer you get to the very elite - Filler, Gorsty, Kaci - the less lateral movement there is. Even more obvious in snooker. This squeeze might really only "worth it" for pro level. Thus the 2 paths forward that I wrote about towards the end.

What I do think this bit of work does though, is help a lot of people, who feel stuck, to understand what is happening with their mechanics. In my own experience, not being able to understand wtf was wrong with my stroke sometimes, was by far the most frustrating bit. Fixing it is whole other story, not relevant for most.

kingwang said:
Great post, Oliver. Glad to see you posting here as well. Have you considered starting a Substack? I would definitely subscribe.

It's really interesting to hear your topics on this because I have a similar issue. I align slightly right of center, steer to the left on follow through, and I'll naturally miss a straight shot to the right (CB too far left) if I don't compensate. I've also been working on it for the past 18 months, including getting help from Thorsten and Stephen Feeney (coach of Ronnie O'Sullivan and Mark Williams). It's funny that you mention Thorsten as having a naturally straight stroke because he frequently mentions that he feels like he has a similar issue.


This resonated a lot and led me to continuously tweak my mechanics, even though my game was "perfectly fine" by many people's standards (~630 Fargo).

For the two paths, Thorsten also offered me the same choice by different names: "compensating" or "fixing". He seemed to imply that neither one was the right choice and many top players have went with the "compensating" route.

The Brock string is interesting because it seems similar to the SightRight tool that Stephen Feeney uses in his lessons. These types of tools seem really helpful in learning more about how you "see" and what is optimal.

My latest change was to rotate my shoulder a few inches farther back to be completely in line with my head (which you already do). It's been about a month, but this seems to have completely solved my alignment and vision issues, but not the issue with steering the cue to the left on follow through. We'll see where this latest adjustment will take me!
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Thanks.

I'm curious about your experience with Feeney. I've gone through the whole 'sightright' thing as well, the main point is solid I think, but some aspects are not covered (in my opinion). Was he able to offer any meaningful help?

Thorsten had the tiniest amount of left (?) swoop if i remember correctly, but it was so minimal. I have seen an older video where it appears to be much worse. Not sure what to think about that.

Got any vids of your latest form?

JohnnyOzone said:
This is very interesting to me. I have vision issues that require a very strong prism in my glasses lenses to keep me from seeing double. Some of the things that Oliver described are exactly what I deal with. I can line up a perfectly straight-in shot, and when I get down over it, it does not look straight. It looks like I need to cut the OB slightly to the left (IOW, it looks like I need to aim the cueball slightly to the right.) I am left eye dominant, right handed. I have to consciously keep my head to the right so that the shaft is more under my left eye. I see cut shots much better this way, but still have the distortion. Likely caused by the prism in my lenses
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I don't personally wear glasses, so I can only imagine how much more difficult it must be. Let me know if you need any specific advice or feedback.

TheGrandWazoo said:
I had a few beers last night and I seem to have offended by being flippant. Sorry if I offended you. No, I do not think is is AI.

What I do think is that your points could have been made more concisely. However since I really have nothing to contribute to your thread, I will take my leave.

Bon Chance
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No worries at all, i try not to waste time on getting offended! And I am also guilty of beer-posting from time to time.
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