what was banned were the ones that had like a primer in them. scary but probably less deadly.
states did whatever they felt like .as new jersey still has having possession of hollow points is a felony.

and accidentally when going to the bahamas and have any cartridge in your bag you forgot about or didnt see and off to jail with you.

Jimmy_Betmore said:

ABS or PVC (very similar to Meucci's ferrule material) or Juma would probably be the closest things you could find that are commonly used today. ABS and PVC are, by ferrule material standards, very soft with Juma being slightly harder. A capped ABS/PVC ferrule with a padded tip will hit very softly compared to most modern cue setups. The pad can also help with keeping the ferrule from squishing because it help spread the impact over the face of the ferrule.

If that doesn't get you where you want to be, I'd just start looking at plastic supplier's sites for softer plastics. I worked in a plastics fabrication shop in college and we had some stuff called Komatex. It's pretty darn soft. I don't know if it's available in rods, but you could get a sheet, cut out a small square, and have that bored and turned round.

And, yes. I know ABS and PVC aren't the same thing. But for a ferrule, they might as well be.

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Do you know what the difference in feel is between abs and pvc? I have a cue that I think has an abs ferrule, it is soft but it also plays kind of dead, not a lot of "feel"on a shot

but definitely slower than what is out there on the new tournament tables. and noiw much easier to get around for position with a smaller stroke on some of the demanding shots.

Maniac said:

The Black Talon???

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I think so but I wasn't sure enough to name it. I don't remember if that was the first name, the hunting round name, or the new name for the pistol ammo. Pretty sure it was the pistol ammo, I think the first name, seems like the second pistol name on reflection. All of this may be dead wrong though. It has been a long time ago.

DynoDan said:

An acquaintance back in the late 60s (early 20s, very muscular) was shot in the chest at close range with a .25 auto (wearing just a T-shirt). He only spent an hour or two in the ER. Showed me his X-ray later. Bullet was lodged in the chest muscle, just under the skin.
If I remember, it was Goldfinger, when chided re: the .25’s lack of effectiveness, claimed he would stick the barrel in your eye first.

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I don't take any round lightly. A lot of people have been killed with BB guns and pellet guns. I know of two people shot in the head with a twenty-five. One was shot at about 75', killed him graveyard dead. Another one, was at contact range or close to it in a guy's forehead. Killed him graveyard dead too!

One of the most feared pistols in the old days, wild west days, was a .22. I think it was black powder and even more anemic than the modern .22 short. Somebody would often carry several of these little pistols and empty both in a person. This was before x-rays and all a doctor could do was probe, cut, and chase a bullet which might veer two or three times when it hit a bone or sometimes just heavy tissue. Before anesthesia for the most part too. The lead bullets coated with lard or grease had to come out. Often the patient didn't survive, even when they did it had to natural born suck!

Hu

Cue Alchemist said:

Your options are limitless, so many to chose from, juma, strong but soft hit, masons micarta has very unique hit, but is softer than linen micarta. All the others like malamine, ivorine have very hard crisp hit.
Tomahawk is very light wight but super strong,very crisp hit.
The original ones your looking for, is the cotton fiber stuff. McDermott had them too in the 80s.
Good luck

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Do you know of fiber ferrules and cotton fiber ferrules are the same thing?

penetration is the most important part of it. not size or speed. although they help.

your body is elastic and what you see in those blocks of gelatin, most is temporary wound channel that almost instantly goes back to normal.

pistols only put holes in things. and a body has lots of empty space. most stop the fight not because they are dying but they see the light and stop.

new cloth and new and or polished balls make the pro game so much easier.

so accept that or make real changes to correct it that do not end up changing the game for the average player, and those new entering the game.