Side-Pocket said:

I may be way off base here, but after watching videos on numerous methods to bank shots off any rail, I still don't know which is the best method or system. My personal preference after reading both of Freddy Bentivegna's books, is fractional aiming of the OB based on how it lines up to the banking rail. This typically is the method I use to make most of my bank shots and, since I am only an amateur, I make about 35% of the banks I attempt. My accuracy is higher on straight back banks on the short rails.

After all of the systems I've looked at, I still am wondering what system do the pros use? I see players like Thorpe, Woodward, Van Boning, Chohan and others, Reyes in a class by himself, do unbelievable banks and they slam those shots into the pockets. I'm just wondering if they use one system, a combination of several, or they just have the vision for the angle after playing for so long.

It would be really nice to have a path to study one proven method that reallly works for all bank shots, or maybe to know that there isn't just one method that fits all.

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Honestly with single rail banks you can get pretty good results with just imagining a pocket out in space. Say you are banking to a side pocket, short way across the table. You just imagine a pocket straight out from the side pocket out in space in a straight line formed by both side pockets. The imaginary pocket is sitting at a the distance the real pockets are from each other. Shoot the OB (or CB for kicking) directly at the imaginary pocket.

This works well for all 1 rail banks and kicks. Obviously table conditions matter and you have have to adjust for speed off the cushions, spin picked up from the cushion, spin you apply, shorten or lengthen with speed etc, but it works really good once you're onto a table. Sitting up a few of these shots and shooting at the imaginary pocket will quickly tune you into a different table.

You can extrapolate this for multi rail stuff and it works pretty well but it's too much to explain here. Basically if you can imagine a "ghost pocket" you can work out. I forget where but I've seen a diagram with a grid matrix made of tables that helps it make more sense.

EDIT: The main benefit to this system is that it works, and more importantly it can really teach you what's going on if you play with it a bit. The reference of the imaginary pocket really tunes you into the various effects that you need to know on banking.

I rewatched this "shark moment" numerous times. Horrible! You can even add in captions. She first says to the lady next to her "Watch this." Then sits right back down and says "It worked." Sit the F down and be quiet please.

Rocket354 said:

There is a shot clock. There is no dedicated ref. She might have felt compelled to shoot. It looked like she might have shot the pink lady a dirty look afterward.

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The WPBA shot clock is a strange one... there is no beep, beep, beep and really no punishment. It is there to move play along and to encourage the players to keep a pace. If they are bent over as it runs down and they stay bent over, they can take a long time.

Lonnie was just explaining this on the live stream for today's matches.

Rusty in Montana said:

I haven't watched this match in it's entirety so I don't know if there's a shot clock involved but if not Kristina , as we all know should of stood up recalled her cue while all but flipping off " pinky " until she sat herself down .

I've seen this crap done during bar pool league games by a few different players and when they try this crap on me I do just that , stand up and wait for them to sit back down or get out of the line of sight for the shot .

As far as that goes why didn't the ref get involved I know it's a tough call as people who are players know better , this is almost as if pinky was sweating this match ?

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There is a shot clock. There is no dedicated ref. She might have felt compelled to shoot. It looked like she might have shot the pink lady a dirty look afterward.

Pretty bad effort by the spectator here. This is not terribly uncommon. Spectators that rarely attend events don't always understand that when you are in a shooter's line of sight, you must make a much greater effort to stay quiet and still than on other shots.

I recall how a cell phone went off in the front row during a WPBA semifinal in about 2001, sharking the legendary Allison Fisher, who got up rather than pulling the trigger on a key shot and the shot clock was, rightly, paused. Though observably pissed off, Allison handled it unforgettably, approaching the spectator and asking of her "Is the call for me?"

I haven't watched this match in it's entirety so I don't know if there's a shot clock involved but if not Kristina , as we all know should of stood up recalled her cue while all but flipping off " pinky " until she sat herself down .

I've seen this crap done during bar pool league games by a few different players and when they try this crap on me I do just that , stand up and wait for them to sit back down or get out of the line of sight for the shot .

As far as that goes why didn't the ref get involved I know it's a tough call as people who are players know better , this is almost as if pinky was sweating this match ?

Mr. Joshua said:

Brent Summers Butterfly Hoppe Sneaky?

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atlslim said:

I have a madison bob sneaky if you are interested

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Please send me a PM with prices and specs

Kristina is a pro
if it bothered her she should’ve gotten up and reset
For sure, the lady in pink should know better

straightline said:

Starts at the beginning. Pause the video _on youtube_where you want it to start and then right click the screen to select <copy URL at current time>

The URL should post with the time stamp on the end like this:

youtu.be/sDWmx_muWfo?t=6488

Phones might be different.

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OK, I think I fixed it.

I'll give you my opinion as a non expert. Looks like a Titelist conversation to me.
Value highly dependent on condition and from the pictures the condition doesn't look great. 3 shafts could be a plus depending on diameter and how straight each is. Along with shafts being straight how straight the butt is can highly effect the value. She definitely needs to go to someone who can care for it correctly. Depending on what part of the country you're in there may be a reputable cuemaker that could help assess the condition. Can't give you a value because I'm not interested in buying it. If a person gives you a value but isn't interested in buying it for the price they say,is it really a good evaluation of price?

Starts at the beginning. Pause the video _on youtube_where you want it to start and then right click the screen to select <copy URL at current time>

The URL should post with the time stamp on the end like this:

youtu.be/sDWmx_muWfo?t=6488

Phones might be different.