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Push shot foul?

iusedtoberich
I think after reading a bunch of fb posts on this that there are 2 main arguments:

The first is if they were frozen or not. NO ONE here or on FB knows that as fact YET! that is causing about 80% of the arguments imo. Because even me, and I damn well know the rule, thought they were not declared frozen. Plus the clip on FB is from MR, which does not show the ref looking at the balls like Bob’s clip does.

The second argument accounting for 20% is “even if the balls are frozen” some people think it was a foul. This falls into two camps. Banger Americans who don’t know any better and are quoting APA bs. And banger Europeans who think all rules in all cue sports go by snooker and/or blackball rules.
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Push shot foul?

iusedtoberich
GideonF said:
You have it half right, in my opinion. In the first half of rule 3.7, where the balls are close but not touching, then if you shoot forward and the cue ball travels forward at the same speed, then you have double hit the cue ball and it’s a foul. So if the balls are close and not frozen, you are right.

The second part of rule 3.7 is an exception. That provides that if you shoot straight into a frozen CB, it is not a foul as long as it’s a normal stroke. This is so despite the fact that the cue ball is going to move at the same speed as the object ball. That is why it is important to have the referee declare whether the cue ball is frozen to the object ball or not.
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I’m agreeing with all of what you wrote.

With the caveat that when they are frozen, they separate slightly, but still go about the same speed. When not frozen, they will travel almost on top of each other.

the difference is probably on dr Dave’s site somewhere.
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Push shot foul?

J
hundreder said:
I still dont understand how 2nd paragraph of 3.7 defines this shot as a legal shot.

This is 3.8 as there is no way that the cueball would move forward without extended contact.

Foul.
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It defines it as legal because it specifically says it is legal. You can’t define it as legal any more clearly. Rule 3.8 can’t make illegal what 3.7 specifically allows.
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Push shot foul?

GideonF
Island Drive said:
I've named that shot before a shovel shot.
I was always taught if the cb and obj ball go forward at the same speed it wasn't a good shot, if it is I wanna know that.
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You have it half right, in my opinion. In the first half of rule 3.7, where the balls are close but not touching, then if you shoot forward and the cue ball travels forward at the same speed, then you have double hit the cue ball and it’s a foul. So if the balls are close and not frozen, you are right.

The second part of rule 3.7 is an exception. That provides that if you shoot straight into a frozen CB, it is not a foul as long as it’s a normal stroke. This is so despite the fact that the cue ball is going to move at the same speed as the object ball. That is why it is important to have the referee declare whether the cue ball is frozen to the object ball or not.
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New Dynaspeheres Set

iusedtoberich
garczar said:
did a lil dig and apparently this new ball is the first to use some new hi-tech automated process. adrian wang(owns the factory in china) is real proud of this new gizmo. He announced it about a mo. ago but they aren't on their site yet. Supposed to be around 100bux retail. If they're like their other balls that's a game changer for phenolic balls.
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Small caveat, the owner is Taiwanese, and his factory is in China. I've worked with both at my dayjob, and in my personal experience, the Taiwanese are very proud and very careful in their designs (more like the Japanese), while the Chinese are not. The Taiwanese actually design things, the Chinese just copy without realizing what or why it was made that way originally.

What that boils down to for us is its a good thing the owner is Taiwanese.
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