Island Drive said:

... Please explain, I want to learn more.

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The WSR are available on the WPA website.

Bob Jewett said:

Sadly and surprisingly, you have no idea what the rules are. You might try reading them some time. Here is a brief exerpt:

However, if the cue-ball is touching an object-ball at the start of the shot, it is legal to shoot towards or partly into that ball (provided it is a legal target within the rules of the game) and if the object-ball is moved by such a shot, it is considered to have been contacted by the cue-ball. ​

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What rule number is that above Comment in print?
I'm all for learning from my mistakes.

shoot towards or partly into that ball What Rule # is that?
Then....

What's the definition of ''towards'' in the rule book?

Also.... what's Partly mean in the rule book?

Please explain, I want to learn more.

GideonF said:

As far as I know, most refs are trained such that they can’t explain a rule or tell you what the outcome is before the shot. So you can’t ask “great, you’ve said it’s frozen. So that means I can shoot straight into them with a normal stoke?” Plus a properly trained ref would be insulted I think if you were making sure they knew the rule.

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Under the current regulations, the ref is supposed to explain rules. I think this is not a good situation, but it seems to be necessary with so many different rule sets and modifications being used. It's not just DCC that makes up its own. Here is the applicable WPA regulation:

9. REFEREEʼS RESPONSIVENESS
The referee shall answer playersʼ inquiries regarding objective data, such as whether a ball will be in the rack, whether a ball is above the head string, what the count is, how many points are needed for a victory, if a player or his opponent is on a foul, what rule would apply if a certain shot is made, etc. When asked for a clarification of a rule, the referee will explain the applicable rule to the best of his ability, but any misstatement by the referee will not protect a player from enforcement of the actual rules. The referee must not offer or provide any subjective opinion that would affect play, such as whether a good hit can be made on a prospective shot, whether a combination can be made, or how the table seems to be playing, etc.

yankee817299 said:

Bottom line is that at the BCA Nationals everyone had a good time playing pool. With the new format of a minimum of 5 matches and the tables being toned down a bit, all level's of players enjoiyed themselves. That has to be good for the pool world. The different divisions helps keep the player strength well grouped and everyone is playing on the same equipment.

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Yeah, the tables aren’t ideal. I prefer other tables and pocket size isn’t the main reason. That said, I like the event and had a good time. We have all played on worse. None of the matches I lost had anything to do with the table. I think sometimes people get too concerned about the conditions and shark themselves. You just have to compete on the tables at the given tournament.

Bob Jewett said:

It was a normal, although powerful stroke. You also don't understand what a push shot is within the rules.

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Unfortunately it seems Karl Boyes is now quoting the push rule. My guess is that Marcel is as confused as some of our posters and is the one who fed him this.

hundreder said:

Wierd rule. Some things are bit off here.
How can you shoot towards or partialy into the ball and NOT to move the ball?

I think this rule is covering a different situation, because it defines what counts as a contact. If you shoot cueball towards the rail for example its legal only if ob moved, otherwise its a foul. Initial frozen contact does not counts as a contact if ob haven't moved.

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The wording is slightly awkward. You are required to contact an object ball on the shot. Normally, that is when the cue ball comes into contact with a ball. For a frozen ball, the cue ball starts in contact. Requiring movement just keeps that initial contact from counting.

garczar said:

not that i know of. might ask Koda they are the US dist.

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thanks. I just pinged Omega to see if they are getting more in. They have a good price.

maha said:

... and even though legal no reason it should be allowed in pool. ...

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If it is not allowed, then how do you handle the case in nine ball when you are frozen to the target ball? Get ball in hand? Shoot away like at snooker? Jack up and all is OK?

Actually, ball in hand would be pretty interesting. It would change 14.1 and one pocket a lot -- you frequently get frozen to a ball during safety battles.