JPB2 said:

Ultimate Pool uses this rule. I don’t like it or get it really. Have to play by it but I don’t get how you get credit for the hit playing away from it. It’s a fictional hit. Why not allow an option to spot it like in the carom games? But that doesn’t work in 8 ball I guess.

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maha said:

if you make one on the break its yours and you keep shooting. that's part of the break. just like 9 ball.

they kind of changed the rule just for the pro tournaments as some cried. so all the idiots that can barely play the game and don't know how to break just follow along with it.
same with racking for yourself.

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bbb said:

why dont you or should not just over loop every loop?

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GideonF said:

This just isn’t the rule and shows that is you who doesn’t understand frozen ball principles. WPA rule 3.7 is very clear on this IMO.

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Bob Jewett said:

I believe the announcers minds were poisoned by long exposure to the rules of snooker, and even worse, the rules of English 8-ball. At those games you get to shoot away from the ball and get credit for the hit, and you are forbidden to move the ball.

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loggerhead12 said:

Marcel again? What a shocker that he got it wrong.

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garczar said:

i listened again and it sounds like the CB came back ad struck the tip again. anyone hear the 'clicky' sound? is that the foul here?

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skogstokig said:

no, "we" euros are not slow because of snooker. most europeans have zero snooker background, snooker is mostly a UK thing. watch some top snooker, they do stats for average shot time and it's generally much faster than pool. a guy like ko pin yi would be in the bottom of snooker AST lists.

i don't know the exact reason why the slow method has become so prevalent in european pool. i play fast myself, and i think there's a tendency from coaches and other players to see a missed shot from a rhythm player and say "he missed because he played fast". even if he then beat the methodical player that missed more balls. when the methodical player misses it's something else, right? the aim or whatever. but there's an obvious fallacy there. had the rhythm player broke his rhythm to play methodical he wouldn't have won or gotten to that semifinal, etc.

not everyone can be speed demons and not everyone is suited for methodical play. but there's a middle ground and i personally think the game itself should discourage too much deliberation. i like the shot clock.

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Bob Jewett said:

In the 2026 European Open, Quinten Pongers got called on a foul for this shot. Let's assume the ball was called frozen. Do you know what the rule is?

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Island Drive said:

Foul.... cb and obj. ball had same forward speed. and he hit straight at it.
I then watched the ref/discussion.
If shooter would of cued from an angle then it's waaaaaaaaay more likely when hitting this shot with ''follow thru'' to be legal.
Him shooting this shot this way, shows he doesn't understand ''frozen ball'' principles.
Push Shot.... is what he did.

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maha said:

looks like a legal shot, but cant be really seen as it happens so fast.

but no one said it was frozen just assumed it was here.

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Hail Mary Shot said:

Tony Drago is fast, too fast that it affected his game negatively. it would have been nice to see him take a bit of time on shots that are challenging. also, Drago is fat.

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maxx_colt said:

Started playing in the early 90s. Basically lived in the pool hall during college. Never really got much better than a gatekeeper type of player - good enough to run a few balls, but always managed to choke on the money ball. Never really got into playing for money, but if we did go out looking for action, I was the guy my buddies would send in to play in order to gauge how good the other guys were.

Was always more focused on making tough or impressive shots instead of playing smart or worrying about position. Never saw an easy shot that I didn't think should be banked instead.

Spent most of my college years bouncing around changing cues like they were underwear. Think I started with a Mizerak cue from Kmart, moved up to a box store Dufferin, and onto a pawn shop Mali. Then Meucci, Cuetec (probably the Earl Strickland series), Falcon (Nick Varner line) and eventually settled on a Jim Buss.

I played with a lot of guys that also went through a lot of cues, so I feel lucky that I've had a chance to play with some really nice stuff from Schon, Joss, Espiritu, Parrot, Scruggs, and Pechauer (those are the ones that I can remember).

I guess my one "cool story" is having the opportunity to play against a pro (TK). Again, I was pretty much the worst of our local players - perhaps inconsistent is a better term. I remember he left me with a pretty tough shot (don't remember if he played safe or just missed), but it was like that "didn't leave you much," "you left enough" scene in Color of Money. I think it was on like the 3 ball. I made the shot, ran the table, left myself horrible position on the 9, rattled it and left him a hanger.

Nobody was surprised. We all got a good laugh out of it with pretty much everybody saying "yep, that's what he does." Still, I was the only person that even came close to beating him that day. Somewhere I have a pic shaking his hand and I have the biggest embarrassed smile on my face.

Played APA from 96 to probably 99. Team won our local and made the regional (I believe in Baltimore).....didn't do too bad, but ended up losing in one of the later rounds. Big shocker here, but we lost because I choked on the 8 ball.

Haven't played much since 1999-2000. Recently found my cues at the back of the closet and thinking about starting back up again. I should probably visit the eye doctor.

Anyways, thanks for coming to my ted talk.

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