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New Cue Day! JFlowers Jf20-23 from their Aspirant series.

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Amaury said:
damn i feel i was robbed. Here is the question I asked in july 2023:

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I dont have the screenshot (they answer directly on their website I believe, but the answer was Yes, it is ebony and the mapple part describes the core of the butt.

Now that they removed completely the ebony part in the description, I assume they just lied to me. It was an expensive cue if it's just black stain mapple.
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For whatever it is worth, it appears a lot of high tech went into the making of the cue. Reminds me of the Gen 2 SVB Cuetec cues. I believe they are Overlay cues too, and they retail for either $899, or $999. But, the tech they put into the butt looks super cool, on that JFlowers cue. I am sure it will be a great playing cue. I believe that even Predator cues are built with cheap overlay materials. At least the ones in the under $1k price range. I read a story about this guy who got his Predator refinished, and during the process, all of the Black spray paint came off, and the bare Maple was shown under the Spray paint, or whatever Overlay material they use.
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Push shot foul?

Bob Jewett
westcoast said:
I know it is a rule in American pool, but what is the rationale for push shots to be legal when balls are frozen?
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Suppose the cue ball is frozen to the six ball which is next in a game of nine ball. What kind of shot should be allowed? Like snooker, where you can shoot away from the ball and get credit for having hit it? You get ball in hand anywhere? The ball is removed and you shoot at the next one? You have to use at least a 45-degree elevation? Grady's rule was that you had to shoot the shot "with character". Really.

If you are going to remove the "OK to shoot at a frozen ball" rule, you have to put something else in. What would you like to see?

(It's not a push shot by the definition in the rules. A push shot is something else that requires a very special stroke.)
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Todays Sneaky Pete cues

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George the Greek said:
35+year old Dufferin Sneaky Pete. It's 17 0z and turned down to 11.5mm and I use it as a break cue. It's straight as a die and if I put a quality tip on it I could use it as a playing cue as it hits that good. I had the black ring installed after somebody picked it up thinking it was a housecue . All the housecues at the time were Dufferin 1 pc at the poolhalls
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I really like this! I have several very old Dufferin basic 'house cues' which are all in very good condition. I'd love to have one made into a SP, the more plain, the better.
What you've done is pretty much what I have in mind. Now I just need to find someone to make the conversion for me.
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Push shot foul?

Bob Jewett
GideonF said:
I just set two shots up - one with a tiny gap and one frozen - and I couldn’t see a big difference in the ball reaction. What should I be looking for?
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I don't think you can tell whether they were frozen or not after the hit. I was just saying that if the balls are not frozen as checked beforehand, and the cue ball flies immediately down the table close to the object ball, it was a double hit, and that you shouldn't be looking for chalk spots.
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What to do with a broken Gus Szamboti?

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Cuemaster98 said:
What should I do with a Broken Gus Szamboti? Picked this one up recently with 2 decent full-size shafts, and now I'm thinking of sending this one out to be rebuilt. The butt on this cue was slightly longer than 58" from what I can tell, and the cue was broken from the joint collar down. It looks like the butt is salvageable if you add a new dowel and then have a new collar and joint added. Getting a quote to have this one fixed up.


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I had a cue break exactly like that which is one of the reasons I don't like birdseye maple. Billy Stroud was able to fix it. He built a new joint for it and where he cut it off ahead of the points created a decorative design that looked almost like maybe it was supposed to be like that. If I remember right he put in a ring with 4 dots and diamonds that lined up with the points.
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Push shot foul?

Bob Jewett
Hojokid33 said:
If the cue ball moves faster than object ball is that a could then ?
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As I pointed out just above, if you shoot a little to the side and use follow, the cue ball will likely pass the OB.

If the balls are frozen, they will travel at roughly the same speed for a full hit.

If the balls are not frozen, the cue ball better stop on impact.
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What to do with a broken Gus Szamboti?

Cuemaster98
Benelli said:
So I showed the eBay photos to three different makers and none of them felt it was fixable without cutting the points out and resplicing the forearm.

So basically you have to destroy it to fix it.

If you want to keep it a Szamboti the.best suggestion I heard was making a short bridge cue out of it.
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Luckily, it looks like a clean break, so it's pretty easy to insert a dowel and add the new collar and joint... if anything, it would just be slightly shorter. The points are all perfect, so really nothing to do there...just need a new collar and ivory joint installed. This will be more of a playing cue, and I don't really care about the value or resale on this one.
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Push shot foul?

Bob Jewett
iusedtoberich said:
I’m agreeing with all of what you wrote.

With the caveat that when they are frozen, they separate slightly, but still go about the same speed. When not frozen, they will travel almost on top of each other.

the difference is probably on dr Dave’s site somewhere.
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I think that if they are frozen, and you play with follow, they will leave the tip with nearly the same speed, but then the object ball will slow down as it acquires follow and the cue ball, which does not slow down as much, will hit the object ball again. It might even be possible for the cue ball to contact the OB additional times as they travel down the table in tandem.

The "passing lane" trick shot uses this principle.
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Push shot foul?

David in FL
hundreder said:
I still dont understand how 2nd paragraph of 3.7 defines this shot as a legal shot.

This is 3.8 as there is no way that the cueball would move forward without extended contact.

Foul.

Two fouls. Push shot, which converted to double hit as cue ball advanced.

Imagine cueball was hit by a stunned ball without any rotation instead of cue. Cueball would not move a bit.
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That's what the rules do in many cases. They define things.

In this case they define that shot as legal.

That's all there is to it.
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Push shot foul?

Bob Jewett
iusedtoberich said:
... If the player was smart enough to call the ref over, one would assume the player knows the rule. One would have to assume the ref does! ...
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I think Pongers knows the rule and that the balls were frozen.

I imagine that the ref was surprised by a shot he had never seen before -- it is remarkable -- and figured it had to be a foul. Or, the ref was confused by a snooker or carom background. In both of those games, the shot is a foul.

Lots of refs don't know the rules. A much larger percentage of players don't know the rules, and that includes Boyes and Appleton.
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