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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

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nataddrho said:
Think of it this way.

Are “table knowledge” and “rigid body physics” mutually exclusive?

Yes.

Can you discuss them separately? Yes.

Is there anything special about a cue ball compared to any other inanimate object that will defy the laws of motion. No.

Why would anybody care to discuss one without the other in the context of pool?

Answer: Because they are independent, and because we can.

A player uses table knowledge to affect the cue ball. But the affect on the cue ball can always be reproduced exactly with a robot provided you input the same parameters. The human being does not change the laws of physics.

Nobody needs credentials to understand causality.

Who cares / why are you wasting my time?

Answer: as a player you should be focusing on improving your table knowledge and stroke accuracy. Do not waste your time creating different strokes that you believe cause the cue ball to do special things. It is unnecessary. Just focus on accuracy with the stroke you already have.

You either know how to play or you don’t.

Answer: Learning Anything in life is never an indivisible operation. Anything can always be broken into smaller pieces and studied independently. That goes for absolutely anything.
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Your premise of not needing different strokes is flawed. The physics doesn't change, but there are several reasons to develop different strokes.

The easiest is a jump shot. Nobody uses the exact strike for a jump shot as they do for a normal shot.

Then there's are other factors that absolutely require differences in a stroke to some degree. When the cueball is on the rail or very close to another ball necessitates differences in mechanics. Reach shots and mechanical bridge shots are also different.

None of these entail any sort of magic, and the goal is always to deliver an accurate and relatable cuestick vector, but because players are human one can't simply simplify them to the same abilities of a robot.
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

gregcantrall
There's a difference between a jump shot and a hopper. 🤷‍♂️
Mike Massey demonstreated the imperceptible hoping of cueball and object ball. His Shrinkaflex well knowledge of that property in the material the balls are made of. "The harder you hit them the more they shrink." Was his explanation for balls fitting through gaps that he demonstrated to be too tight to pass through.
I had the pleasure of employing the shot in competition. Not the proverbial, "nun take her clothes off", but did geta a look of approval from my opponent's significant other. 🤷‍♂️ 😉
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

lfigueroa
nataddrho said:
Think of it this way.

Are “table knowledge” and “rigid body physics” mutually exclusive?

Yes.

Can you discuss them separately? Yes.

Is there anything special about a cue ball compared to any other inanimate object that will defy the laws of motion. No.

Why would anybody care to discuss one without the other in the context of pool?

Answer: Because they are independent, and because we can.

A player uses table knowledge to affect the cue ball. But the affect on the cue ball can always be reproduced exactly with a robot provided you input the same parameters. The human being does not change the laws of physics.

Nobody needs credentials to understand causality.

Who cares / why are you wasting my time?

Answer: as a player you should be focusing on improving your table knowledge and stroke accuracy. Do not waste your time creating different strokes that you believe cause the cue ball to do special things. It is unnecessary. Just focus on accuracy with the stroke you already have.

You either know how to play or you don’t.

Answer: Learning Anything in life is never an indivisible operation. Anything can always be broken into smaller pieces and studied independently. That goes for absolutely anything.
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You were very forthcoming with you academic credentials — very impressive.

But what about your pool playing credentials? What is your level of play? I don’t believe it’s as simple as, “You either know how to play or you don’t.”

Lou Figueroa
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Perfect Stroke = No Stroke?

nataddrho
Patrick Johnson said:
What if we could just aim our cue like a rifle with the tip at the contact point and instead of stroking it simply pull a trigger to shoot it at any preset CB speed? Would taking the stroke out of the equation mean more accuracy/consistency or less refinement/creativity?

If your only motive is winning, fun or not, is the stroke an advantage or a drawback?

pj
chgo
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If you could do this then things would be easier.
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Shane Wolford VS Anthony Meglino (Action) $216K

jasonlaus
Black-Balled said:
You say such weirdly illogical things

YOU brought divisiveness over politics here, not I.

YOU continue to pepper main page threads with your political fanaticism.

YOU are unable to contain yourself and your mania as requested by many of your fellow users.
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I responded to somebody else that brought it up. At least you're consistent with your dishonesty
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