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WNT Hanoi Open 2025, Vietnam, Oct 7-12

Bob Jewett
jay helfert said:
It was a tough call, ...
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I think it was a very easy call judging by what the cue ball did. This is a very common situation where two object balls are close together and you can make the shot by hitting either one first.

If you hit the 4 ball first, the cue ball goes towards the 9 (by the 90-degree rule) and stops quickly a little to the right of the shot line. The 9 will not move much.

If you hit the 9 ball first, the cue ball goes immediately into the 4 (by the 90-degree rule) and then scoots off to the left. The 9 ball will move to the right quite a bit.

In either case the 4 goes into the pocket, because the cue ball will hit the 4 in very nearly the same place.

This kind of call is generally easy and obvious and does not need a replay. It is impossible to actually see the two hits live because they occur within a few thousandths of a second. Humans have trouble with anything faster than 100 thousandths -- a tenth of a second.
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Single layer tip in between an Elkmaster and Triangle or Lepro?

Poolplaya9
sbrownn said:
Sounds like the Royal Oak would be a good softer side of medium between the Elkmaster and Triangle, good luck finding an installer that has one to try as I've never seen one of these type of tips in 35+ years of pool:
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Same here. I've known about Royal Oak tips for decades and during that time I have played pool all over the country, and have read a lot of forums, and I have yet to ever even hear of somebody that uses them, much less meet anybody who does. I wonder if they are just popular in some small region of the country or something because you would think somebody has to be buying them for them to stick around for so many decades.
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New break cue porn

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Finally reeled in my break cue to compliment my playing cue.

I’ve tried almost all the top end break cues and this one easilyholds it own.

Now, I don’t have any excuses to go around HO’n new sticks😪
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Bulletproof Tips

Cartune
I played with the medium AIM tips for years, absolutely no complaints. I still have it on one of my cues but am going to change it out for a Recoil very soon. I changed my main player to a Recoil hard (green) tip about a year and half ago. Love it except, the sound takes some getting used to.

I have not played with a Kamui, so I am not sure how similar or how to compare the two, if that was your question
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WNT Hanoi Open 2025, Vietnam, Oct 7-12

jay helfert
sjm said:
Thanks for the info on the updated rules. Still, there was no doubt on this occasion. The nine was clearly hit first and could never have moved as far as it did on a legal hit of the four. Shame on the refs for making an awful call at a big moment in a tournament.

As Bob Jewett (in post #233), who is perhaps the world's greatest authority on the rules of pool has observed, the referee should never get this one wrong.

Referee mistakes do happen, but rarely when a call is this obvious.
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It was a tough call, all the more reason why the referee has to be in the right position to see the shot properly. I suspect Marcel was not on this one or he would have seen the bad hit. We have the technology in place for video replay so why not use it on shots like this?
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Men's 2025 World 8-Ball Championship, Bali, Oct.7-13

skor
westcoast said:
Most pro players don’t break from the side in terms of the 2nd ball break. The main exception that comes to mind is Corey Deuel who is great at the 2nd ball break
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Not what I meant. They hit the head ball and the two balls behind it are going in the side pockets.

Check our Filler's and Chang's breaks here for example:

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other videos from that events shows this as well

Also see Shane's break here from the US Open 8ball

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For some reason, in this World Championships, they all break from the side and it doesn't work, most breaks are dry
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WNT Hanoi Open 2025, Vietnam, Oct 7-12

jay helfert
Kris_b1104 said:
Lechner up 5-1 on Shaw. Shaw seems to be in give-up mode or fatigued.
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Not the Shaw I remember. He used to be a killer.
Kris_b1104 said:
Biado and Labutis are playing like they both want to throw the match lol, missing everything under the sun.

Must be all the traveling these past few weeks, they seem tired and not confident, just like many other players in this tourney.

The table is playing super tough though, those pockets are nice and tight.
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I'm seeing the same thing. This tough Rasson table is keeping them honest. It requires full 100% focus and concentration on all shots, easy or hard. It's a good test for the top players. Not a bad looking table either. Very few one inning games.

In the modern version of 9-Ball this is what I'm observing. Much more focus on safety play! These guys love to hide the cue ball and do it well. They are all great kickers too, often kicking to play safe. They want to force their opponent to shoot a difficult jump shot or kick into the air. That's how they win games.

One area where I see no improvement in their games is on bank shots. They will often play that famous side to side safety as opposed to shooting a bank shot. All the reliance on safety play has made bank shots less important and it shows.

Loving my man Moritz, by far the most focused player out there. Reminds me of Sigel in that respect. It was no secret why Sigel was winning more than anyone else. He missed far fewer shots, plain and simple. If Mike had a tough shot he would walk around the table bemoaning his fate, getting down and getting up a few times. He'd just smile at the tough shot facing him. Then finally he would fire that ball in and win the game. Drama man. Missing my man Mike when I think about it. I feel so fortunate to see guys like Sigel, Earl, Buddy, Davenport, Varner, CJ, Parica, Francisco, in their prime. They each had their own style and it was effective.

On a final note who would have ever guessed that Harry Vergara would be the last Filipino standing!
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WNT Hanoi Open 2025, Vietnam, Oct 7-12

Poolplaya9
sjm said:
Agreed 100%. Just not a WNT major.
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That wasn't what you had said though ("...but they are not Matchroom produced events and are therefore not majors") which is why I corrected it. Now that we got that sorted, we need to worry about how we are going to get Marcel sorted out. Knowing how Emily is, she isn't going to do a thing about it (because as often as not she is too clueless to even be able to see a big problem, unwilling to admit it even when she can see it, and unwilling to fix it even when she can admit it). I know we disagree there too, but her competence is about on par with Marcel.
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It has been over 13 yrs. Glad to be back

manwon
ftgokie said:
I have not been around the pool scene for over 13yrs. I was living in Ft Gibson Okla. and just recently bought a new home on 3.75 acres and the additional 80 acres that was offered to me here just south of Ft Mitchell, AL which is just across the river from Ft Benning GA. I have been a self-taught watchmaker since 1994 and I have been working for the VA since 2004...I woke up one morning about a month ago and said...screw it, so I put in my retirement paperwork a few weeks ago with my official retirement date is Oct 31, 2025. I am really looking forward to retiring and doing whatever I want. I had a lot of medical issues is why I stopped playing and I have periodically thought about playing pool and just felt something was missing. I had a small stroke in March of this year and did not even realize it until I went to Martin Army Hospital to be checked out. After a few test...surprise....small stroke. I remember when it happened, I was mowing and it honestly felt like I was drunk even though I may drink 1 beer a year. I have been recovering from that and just working but have not bothered with repairing or restoring any watches. So, I picked up my old Joss sneaky pete cue I bought back in 1991 and went to a small pool hall in Phenix City and played for a couple of hours and got the bug back.

So, after I retire, I am going to buy a nice bar table, probably a Diamond and put downstairs and practice, practice, practice. My son is stationed at Ft Carson CO in Colorado Springs and we were flying up there every 6-8 weeks and spending some time with him for a few days and he recently deployed to Kuwait last week and he is now with a unit in Iraq...this will be a 3 month deployment so I need to do something to keep my mind busy..so pool it is!

So I will be on the lookout for a new cue and a lathe so I can put on new tips and ferrules if I have to. I am just glad to be back and cant wait to get back into playing and hopefully can manage to get back to the level I was at when I quit.

Thanks for having me back,

Shawn
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Thanks very much for your military service and your service to our soldiers by working at the VA. Very sorry to hear that you're having health issues. Seems like most of us who served also have health issues, I guess it's just part of the game, I don't know. Anyway, it's great to have you back. Hopefully, you'll be back on your feet and no longer suffering from the health issues, you have currently very soon.

Take care my friend thanks for all you do!!!!!!! (y)
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