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Men's 2025 World 8-Ball Championship, Bali, Oct.7-13

I disagree. Your claim was that "on the big tables, 8ball is a run-fest in which the first player to make a ball nearly always wins the rack." To me, 77% is not "nearly always." Also, 6 points of that 77% was not run outs after the first ball was made. A host of different situations led to that player winning the game later after giving up the table -- some running most of the balls (probably frequent), some nothing but the 8-ball (fairly rare), and a passel of things in between that are not "run-fests."

Incidentally, you might be surprised that what you called the "success rate" -- the player who makes the first ball after the break wins the game -- is about the same in pro 9-Ball as in pro 8-Ball. For the last two World 9-Ball events, the number from my stats comparable to the 77% in 8-Ball is 74 1/2% in 9-Ball. For the recent US Open 9-Ball, it was 78%. For the recent Florida Open it was 76%. I think a better measure to make your point about 8-Ball is runouts by the player at the table after the break. But let's look at a comparison of the two disciplines using a larger number of measures. I think you'll find some support there.

The following stats are for the streamed matches I tracked for the 2025 and 2024 World 9-Ball events, combined, vs. the 2024 and 2023 World 8-Ball events, combined, -- i.e., the two most recent world championships in each of those disciplines. This was a total of 557 games of 9-Ball and 458 games of 8-Ball. The conditions weren't the same for all 4 events, nor (of course) were the players the same. But the comparison is useful in judging today's results produced by top pro players in these two disciplines.

The stats are for 9-Ball first, then 8-Ball

• Successful breaks -- 72%, 51%​
• Breaker won game -- 57%, 55%​
• B&R games on all breaks -- 21%, 37%​
• B&R games on successful breaks -- 29%, 73%​
• Games ending in 1 inning -- 38%, 76%​
• Games ending in the 2nd inning -- 25%, 17%​
• Games going beyond the 2nd inning -- 36%, 7%​
• Runouts by the player at the table following the break -- 30%, 67%​
• First player to make a ball after the break won the game in that same inning -- 55%, 71%​
• First player to make a ball after the break won the game in a later inning -- 20%, 6%​
• First player to make a ball after the break won the game (any inning) -- 74%, 77%​
• Games per missed shot (approx.) -- 1.7, 2.6​
• Games per foul -- 3.4, 8.5​
• Games with one or more safeties -- 50%, 9%​
• Games (excl. B&Rs) with one or more safeties -- 63%, 15%​
Good stuff. Thanks for these stats, from which I learned a lot. I'm sure that, as is the case most years, I'll give the World 8ball a shot and watch a few matches.

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Albert and Felix are 17 years old and are both on a fast track and will be counted as stars of the game very soon. Though enormously talented, neither is really a finished product yet.

It seems silly to compare them to historic early bloomers like a) Wu (World 9ball champion and World 8ball champion at 16), b) Filler (World 9ball champion and Mosconi MVP by age 20), or Gorst (World 9ball champion at 19). Nonetheless, they have good attitudes, good work ethics, and, most importantly, they are playing in a lot of events worldwide, so the sky is the limit. Still, let's give them some time. Expecting either of them to secure a world championship in the next few years is probably asking too much of them.

Bernie Regalario, bronze medalist at the 2025 World 9ball, is a bit further along than Albert and Felix, but he's 20 and they are 17.

Wishing all three of these magnificent cueists the best of luck as they attempt to plot a path to pool superstardom.

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