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If the lag is a skill shot, there's a better way

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poolscholar said:
Why is it bad? Because it's different?
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No, your assertion is based on the false premise that the lag is a luck shot.

The lag is absolutely skill. Just being able to hit a pool ball is a skill. Being able to break at all is a skill. I can promise you, in a lag contest with Filler I would get WAXED. Is he just a more lucky person than I?

You’re coming up with a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

Lotto is luck. Shitting in balls is luck. The lag is not a shot of luck.
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Break Stats -- 2025 Florida Open (9-Ball), August 2025

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Frosty said:
Really? It’s like this, a lot of players cried like girls when the wing ball went all the time when the 1 was racked on the spot, and as it still should be. So then some genius changed the rules of the game to rack the 9 on the spot to stop the automatic wing ball. Then good players did what they do, they experimented and discovered with the cut break they could make the 1 in the side and often the wing ball as well. They’ve made up new rules for break boxes, racking the balls in a way never intended, putting the 2 in the back all the time, then making it be randomly placed when guys figured that out. Good players experiment and find a way, and the only thing that has been consistent the last 25 years or so is the constant whining about it. It’s 9 ball, it’s meant to fast and action packed, that’s its appeal. If you don’t like it, don’t watch or play it, watch or play something else. Many say 10 ball is the way but that’s no different with the 2 balls behind the 1 going to the sides and the corner balls going 4 rails. Many say alternating breaks, that’s changing the rules and game into something it’s not. This isn’t golf or tennis where everyone always gets a turn. Most people that really appreciate the sport like to watch packages strung together. If you’re a fan of “safety battles” then play or watch 1 pocket or 14:1. I once heard someone describe 9 ball as a game for gunslingers, that’s very true. It’s a test of a players ability to control the table when it’s their inning. It’s also a test for players to maintain their composure in the chair and whether they can rise to the occasion when an opportunity presents itself. They need to put the 1 back on the spot, no break box and let the game be what it is. If they don’t like the game as it is, then play 15 ball 61 rotation or go back to 14:1. This constant changing of the rules to appease the “everybody gets a chance to play, everyone gets a participation trophy” generation borders on ridiculous. Leave the game alone, if you don’t like it as it is, take up a different game. I’d rather watch lopsided shellackings than “safety battles”, those are as boring as watching paint dry.
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maybe partition your rant into three or four paragraphs?
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Cuemakers who do really dark brown shafts?

Sir Scratchalot
Jimmy_Betmore said:
Just a heads up if you didn't already know, it's extremely likely your cue would play/hit very differently with a keilwood shaft than it does with its current shaft. Like Skor mentioned, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to see if a cue maker could just make the shaft with matching ringwork rather than swapping it from the existing shaft. Because once you have that ringwork removed from the existing shaft you'd not be able to go back.
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When I ordered the cue I had the maker use an OB shaft for one of the two shafts that came with the cue. A silly idea in retrospect as I just don't care for that shaft and never use it. It would be no loss to me to get rid of it. The maker's normal shaft, which is the better player for me, would still be kept whole.

Also, I have a FUZE Kielwood hybrid shaft on another cue and like it quite a bit. I figure a well made KW would perform nicely on this custom (and it should look amazing in a deep dark color).
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LTT for Whyte Carbon Fiber

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Willing to do a 2 for 1 trade for a 29” or 30” whyte carbon fiber shaft with a radial insert.

Will sell individually for $189 shipped

NEW

Made by Mr Ed Robinson.

Radial

30”

.842 at the joint

12.5 mm at the tip

Soft wizard tip

Micarta ferrule
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Break Stats -- 2025 Florida Open (9-Ball), August 2025

Frosty
middleofnowhere said:
I am sure it has been discussed but the one going in the side on almost every break is ridiculous.
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Really? It’s like this, a lot of players cried like girls when the wing ball went all the time when the 1 was racked on the spot, and as it still should be. So then some genius changed the rules of the game to rack the 9 on the spot to stop the automatic wing ball. Then good players did what they do, they experimented and discovered with the cut break they could make the 1 in the side and often the wing ball as well. They’ve made up new rules for break boxes, racking the balls in a way never intended, putting the 2 in the back all the time, then making it be randomly placed when guys figured that out.

Good players experiment and find a way, and the only thing that has been consistent the last 25 years or so is the constant whining about it. It’s 9 ball, it’s meant to fast and action packed, that’s its appeal. If you don’t like it, don’t watch or play it, watch or play something else. Many say 10 ball is the way but that’s no different with the 2 balls behind the 1 going to the sides and the corner balls going 4 rails. Many say alternating breaks, that’s changing the rules and game into something it’s not. This isn’t golf or tennis where everyone always gets a turn. Most people that really appreciate the sport like to watch packages strung together. If you’re a fan of “safety battles” then play or watch 1 pocket or 14:1.

I once heard someone describe 9 ball as a game for gunslingers, that’s very true. It’s a test of a players ability to control the table when it’s their inning. It’s also a test for players to maintain their composure in the chair and whether they can rise to the occasion when an opportunity presents itself. They need to put the 1 back on the spot, no break box and let the game be what it is. If they don’t like the game as it is, then play 15 ball 61 rotation or go back to 14:1. This constant changing of the rules to appease the “everybody gets a chance to play, everyone gets a participation trophy” generation borders on ridiculous. Leave the game alone, if you don’t like it as it is, take up a different game. I’d rather watch lopsided shellackings than “safety battles”, those are as boring as watching paint dry.
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JOSS CUE - Replica of Mike Sigel's cue

Matt_24
I just wanted to share with my AZ pals that Stephen Janes is building me a copy of Mike Sigel's old JOSS cue from the 80s. The first photo (with all of the shafts) was the very cue that Sigel used for years and played some amazing pool with. This photo was from John Wright I believe. I have had it saved for some time. Sigel did use a JOSS after that as well, but this was the one I think of when I think of Sigel. I showed this photo to Stephen and the very next day he photo-shopped the design below for me. He's going to use the white with brown spec wrap like Mike, and remove the "Legacy" from the buttcap. This was always my favorite cue so I'm pretty excited about it! It should be done in November, but I'm not especially rushed. I waited like 17 years for a Southwest...I have patience.


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