Challenge the table
- By CajunPopeye
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I play in Lafayette most of the time. I'm just a bar player, not a gambler. I could never get into as I never had money.full of action
I play in Lafayette most of the time. I'm just a bar player, not a gambler. I could never get into as I never had money.full of action
Yes Sir,A solid, well-reasoned, post, but I'd like to offer that there are other considerations when it comes to Efren and Earl.
Efren's efforts are legendary, in part, because he advanced the science of the game. No idea how old you are, but when Efren came to America, he was employing some shots and strategies never seen before. He introduced us to many of the shots that would gradually enter the arsenals of most of the top players. Kick shots, 2-way sots, safeties --- Efren seemed to know shots that nobody else knew. At 9ball, but even more so at 1-pocket, he got everybody thinking differently about how the game can and should be played. Efren's greatness is partly tied to his performance and partly tied to his groundbreaking style of play, which integrated billiard knowledge into pool in a new way. His imagination set the stage for greater development of the theory underlying the game. Another amazing thing about Efren is the speed at which he learned and mastered new games. He had never played straight pool but tried his hand at the 1993 World 14.1 championships and medaled. He had never focused on 8ball, but when the IPT came along in 2006, he won the biggest prize ever paid in 8ball, which was $500,000. He had never tried one pocket until he learned much of it from, among others, Billy Incardona and Fred Bentivegna, and it wasn't long before, in Billy's words, he clearly understood things that even they didn't. He went on to be the greatest ever one-pocket player.
Earl's legend is another matter. Though it was played before, 9ball only became a major competitive discipline in 1976. For most of us, Earl came onto our radar in 1980 as a 19-year-old. He offered a brand of 9ball never seen before, a game based more on power than anything else. He was, unquestionably, the first to ever master the nine-ball break, and because of it, he sat opponents down for racks at a time more than anyone that came before him. It gave him a top gear that nobody could match. He was known for often dismissing the greatest of champions by very lopsided scores in competition. In short, Earl can be credited with ushering in the era of power 9ball that is still going strong.
Hence, it is true that if you watch old footage of Earl at 9ball, you will probably not think he played like the current edition of Filler, and I won't disagree. Similarly, if you watched footage of Efren at 1-pocket, you'd wonder whether he'd have beaten modern day Shane, Gorst or Filler at one pocket. I'd suggest, however, that a wider lens is needed to made these kinds of assessments. Earl and Efren were foundational players that introdcued a new type of pool to us, and part of their greatness is tied to having done so.
Just some food for thought.
Counting the CSI US Opens as majors is hilarious. None of them are and, frankly, it has probably been a few years since anyone on this forum tried to suggest otherwise. Some of the CSI US Opens have had fields of less than 20 and very few of them have deep, international fields. I'd say one Euro-tour title is worth three CSI US Open titles. That gives Ralf Souquet the equivalent of 69 US Opens. Of course, that's nonsense, too. Shane has five US Opens, and all of them were against fields weaker and less internationally balanced than what we've seen in this decade of pro pool.
Yes, it's a matter of opinion, but Shane has never dominated across the world. Yes, he dominated on American soil against fields that were chiefly American, but his track record is much poorer when competing against large, internationally diverse fields worldwide. Filler's resume at age 29 already eclipses that of Shane at 43. Title count? Who cares. When discussing greatness, it is major title count that matters, because performance against elite fields is the only real measure. Filler's rate of winning major championships all over the globe is so much greater than that of Shane that the comparison borders on silly.
Is Shane's 5 US Opens 9ball, 1 World 9ball, 1 World 8ball any stronger than Filler's 1 US Open 9ball, 1 World 9ball, 3 China Open 9ball, 1 World Games 9ball gold medal, and 1 World 8ball? That's pretty close, but if you look at all the other majors, Filler has won everything in sight and Shane hasn't won anything close to that. Finally, as Shane has noted, Filler has worn him out in head-to-head play for the length of Josh' career.
Of course, you are allowed to size it up as you please. Thanks for sharing your views.
I meant a one dollar bet…$1 a game at the bar. One pool hall has .50 a game still. I usually play $4-10 worth.
I miss darts too. Down in Louisiana, not many bars near me have darts.in the 90s darts...
I am just curious if anyone has tried it.I don't see the need for this product.
Alcohol wipes and a micro fiber towel seems to the job just fine.
$1 a game at the bar. One pool hall has .50 a game still. I usually play $4-10 worth.$1 per game.
Sadly, you won't find many of those down here...
You a one-hole-a-hi-roller!!I thought it was me . For sure one of the Greatest ever but everytime I watch him, the next time I go to the Pool Hall my high run is like 10 LMAO
Streaming is of less quality of the high definition monitors we have today. It's needed more than ever.Wasn't the original reason to change colors that the 90s TVs couldn't really display enough colours? With modern TVs and monitors it shouldn't be necessary anymore. Changing colours for a good reason, such as making it easier for the colourblind are a good idea, but what is going on today is mainly marketing and the desire of the sponsors to stand out. I'm OK with all this as long as it's making sense and doesn't confuse players. For me, the purple 5 ruined watching certain matches now. We play with centennials and the aramith sets with the pink 4 and orange 5.
Thank god the guys in our club are too cheap to buy a new set when some company introduces a new set, maybe next time with a purple 7. Or an pale peach 5.
I wonder why nobody ever thought of grey scales. the darker, the higher the number.