Matt_24 said:

This Runde is my main player. I love the way this plays with the 314.

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Absolutely love this Cue. (And the 314)

Growing up and playing in the 80’s, I learned with these R-Series cues and am obsessed with them right now.

The cue knowledge here creeps me out sometimes.
Yall are like those guys that you can show a picture of a sidewalk crack and they'll tell you what street in Dubrovnik it is on.

garczar said:

Agree. The idea in these B-n-R deals is for someone to win big. Having to run 15 imo is a joke. Sure the pot gets big but how often does it happen? Just seems to me like less people would play, defeating the purpose of having the game in the first place. LOTS of places have 10b games for a reason, its popular.

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I assume they'll pay out on a per ball basis, so it's likely that a few bucks will go out most weeks, but the net pot is gonna keep going up.

Eventually there will be enough in there that the per ball payout will be driving participation on its own. Nobody's turning their nose up at a chance to break a full rack for $1,000 a ball even without much chance to continue beyond whatever they get on the break...

u12armresl said:

How big would a weekly pot get on a bar table for a BNR where you had to run the entire rack in rotation?

I see BRN in the thousands per ball, and that is for 10 ball.

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My bet is that the rack would never be completed (ASSUMING that you lose all the money you have potentially earned if you miss a ball).

Bear with me a second...

We have a huge (over $20k) BnR 10-ball at my pool hall. Guys buy hundreds of dollars of tickets, so the money going out each week is nearly replaced with the new money from raffle tickets sold. Players make money per ball, at an increasing % per ball, and can declare they are finished at any time and pocket the money earned. If the miss, they get zero dollars.

In each run you have that moment when the shooter has earned so much money that they don't want to risk it by attempting the fairly difficult shot they are looking at. In fact, there is typically a shot that they would be nuts to take because the money left to earn does not merit risking what they have potentially pocketed. Frequently that shot is immediately after the break. (They make a ball or two on the break, look at the one ball, and say, "I'm done.")

(I am talking about a BnR on a 9' Diamond with tight pockets.)

All of that would be exacerbated by trying to run 15 balls in rotation.

How could a 15-ball rotation run be completed?

1) You only earn money if you complete the run. There is no "per ball" money. (I admit that is not likely to be a thing, very few people would bother to invest in buying tickets, so it is just a bad idea.)

2) You so significantly stagger the money-per-ball that all the incentive is in getting to the later balls.

3) You offer 50% of the money on a per-ball scale (lower % for early balls, increasing as you go) and the other 50% is on the last ball (completing the run).

sjm said:

Right now, with due respect to Woodward, Tyler Styer looks like America's second-best player.

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There's no question. Skyler just turned 33 and he may already have peaked. He was still ascending in 2023-2024 and even the first part of 2025, but he has leveled off since then. The older you get, the more you need to stay in shape and practice.

The Mosconi has been his biggest payday for quite some time now.

After Tyler, the next most consistent "American" player is new citizen Thomas Hohmann.

Bergman, for his part, shows flashes of great play. But he looks like a guy who hasn't played competitive 9 ball vs the world's best players in a long time. The margin for error on the WNT is thin - and he doesn't give himself enough margin. A lapse on concentration now and then is all it takes.

Are you in Detroit area?

sjm said:

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, so now we should love AZB even more!

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Careful.... Gold Membership will go up.... moderators will want a raise.

This Runde is my main player. I love the way this plays with the 314.

I watched a handful of matches last night, mostly on delay. Skipped through in-between shots filler with FF.

*Skyler Woodward vs Nick Cacchione
*Sun Yi Hsuan vs Eklent Kaci
*Petri Makkonen vs Justin Bergman
*AJ Manas vs Harrison Leinen
*Yannick Pongers vs Payne McBride
*Tyler Styer vs Dean Shields
*Max Lechner vs Johnny Archer

Skyler was very sloppy the first 3-4 games, got in a groove for a long stretch, then finished sloppy. Definitely looks like a player who hasn't played a lot.

Sun Yi Hsuan ... never heard of him before. But chumps from Taipei rarely travel. He has a 778 Fargo and looked like it. He made very few glaring errors and ran out almost every rack when the table layout suggested he should.

Kaci did not make many mistakes, but he made a big one with the score 5-5 and a chance to take the lead. Missed an easy 6 trying to get down table for the 7. Next thing you know he's down 8-5. A repeat of what happened in his loss to SVB in Florida.

Makkonen struts around the table like he owns it, and Bergman gave him too many opportunities with his own inconsistent play. Petri really is a top 35 player when he's grooving. Wonder what he would do if he slimmed down and played the tour regularly.

AJ Manas got by Harrison Leinen, but not without a big fight. At 8-8 and breaking, Leinen had a chance to go up 9-8. He made a bad play on an unpocketable 2 ball and gave Manas an opening. AJ ran out from there. More on Leinen in another post.

Young MR. Pongers raced ahead like a thorough bred that he is, then the mental errors crept in as they often do. Payne McBride has really improved, but he always seems to make a killer mistake at the worst time.

Tyler Styer was solid vs Dean Shields. He didn't make many mistakes. But the ones he did cost him. Shields played very well in the most competitive match of the day.

Lechner should have beaten Archer. He made several glaring errors to cede the table. Max has not had a good year. In 2025, he was much better.

Archer, for his part, played very well. All his usual hallmarks, but with age, he struggles on very long, somewhat straight in shots. Every now and then he flubs a shot he should make, but it only happened once or twice vs Lechner.

My Schon ST-23

King T said:

I dont know, but I have played and backed a lot of call shot Pool and either all shots or call the none obvious shots..., but if its call all shots then its all shots.

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But even then, isn't it generally ball and pocket?

I have never seen anyone have to call rubbing the adjacent rail on a rail-first shot into a ball hanging in the pocket.