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I think of the break as a skill set, so why have rules, and so many rules, restricting the break?

Flakeandrun
sudocrushms said:
Pocket size doesn't change geometry. I can easily make the wing every time on my table and it's 4-1/8. Taking away the angle via 9 on the spot and a break box removes that geometry. Filler even proved last year in WI(?) a wider break box isn't enough. If you have the wing wired you can focus on controlling the CB *and* the 1.
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Was it DCC with the bigger box? He made a joke of that tourney if I remember rightly lol
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I think of the break as a skill set, so why have rules, and so many rules, restricting the break?

sudocrushms
King T said:
All the Pro tournaments cured the wing ball issue by going to 4 1/4'' pockets..., yes the wing ball still goes, but few players are making multiple balls and even fewer are running out, there are very few big packages.
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Pocket size doesn't change geometry. I can easily make the wing every time on my table and it's 4-1/8. Taking away the angle via 9 on the spot and a break box removes that geometry. Filler even proved last year in WI(?) a wider break box isn't enough. If you have the wing wired you can focus on controlling the CB *and* the 1.
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Drop Pockets vs Ball Return Tables in Tournaments

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iusedtoberich said:
Archer used to do that all the time on the TV table. I think someone asked him, and the light reflection off the pocketed balls bothered him when his face was over a pocket that had balls.

But point taken. With today's WPA ref "Nit" rules of not sticking your hands where they don't belong until the very last ball stopped motion like Absolute Zero, who knows what a European ref would do.
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Just have the player ask the ref to move the balls, no harm no foul
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Drop Pockets vs Ball Return Tables in Tournaments

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sudocrushms said:
This actually made me think of something else: Since officials don't like players emptying pockets before the cb stops, would they have an issue with players moving balls to different pockets? I saw Robbie do it this weekend before a 9b, but not sure. Fine, unless they drop one on the playing surface?
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I've always thought stuffing a pocket to prevent a scratch might be a move or at least a loophole. I vaguely recall it might be covered in some ruleset IDK.
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I think of the break as a skill set, so why have rules, and so many rules, restricting the break?

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Flakeandrun said:
He had been warned, which meant the referee was able to impart their subjective opinion - "the ref is always right"
We don't argue with the ref, even when they are wrong. Just how it is, and how it should be. Referees are human, and are subsequently fallible.
On this occasion, I feel the ref perhaps referred to, and was overly influenced, by the spread he observed, rather than the speed of the ball.
Technically, this is to the letter of WNT rules. Which are notably ambiguous regarding this particular aspect. They are open to interpretation, and therefore, the ref is 100% within his remit to call it a "soft break"

100% case closed. Hope they add some stipulation for quantifying a "soft break" to avoid such essentially pointless and subjective discussions in the future.
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But, that is the whole reason why they came up with requiring a certain amount of balls, to get past the spot, or past side pockets (up table), right? Lol, sorry, I do not know which one it is, or how many balls need to get up table, for it to not be considered a Soft Break. If he did that successfully, then the Ref should not have the right to call a Foul, for a Soft Break.
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I think of the break as a skill set, so why have rules, and so many rules, restricting the break?

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skogstokig said:
in that particular break he was breaking thin, not soft, so the ref was wrong. capito is known as a soft breaker tho, as are the spaniards and a bunch other players on the tour.
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So, he will continue to break as soft as possible, just so the rules allow it. And, there should be no rules that are based on subjective opinion, in my opinion, lol.
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I think of the break as a skill set, so why have rules, and so many rules, restricting the break?

Flakeandrun
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Yeah, there should not be any rules that are subjective, in my opinion.
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Totally agree. There are many aspects of pool that I find infuriatingly subjective or devoid of logic.
vintagecollectibles831 said:
I just do not think that is right. On paper though, he was doing nothing against the rules, other than the subjective opinion, right?
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The rules were followed by the ref in my opinion. He had an opinion, as he is encouraged to have, he enforced it post-warning.
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Why not just have a rule that states you must get at least 3 balls, or whatever, up table, past the side pocket?
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Or a speed gun. I am curious to see how this is dealt with by the WNT body.
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